The Real Alice In Wonderland Lewis Carroll Had an Unusual Relationship With
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Date: 2022-12-29
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willie
Now at the very end of our long list I introduce you to two books of which I think you must have already tasted: Lewis Carrolls Alice in Wonderland, and the eighth is Alice Through the Looking Glass. Both are nonserious, thats why I love them. Both are written for children, thats why I immensely respect them. Both are full of beauty, grandeur, mystery and small parables which can be understood on many many levels. I have always loved one parable, for example.
Alice comes to the King or perhaps it was the Queen, it does not matter and the King asks Alice, Did you meet my messenger coming towards me on the way?
Alice says, I met nobody, sir.
The King then says, Then he must have reached here by now.
Alice could not believe her ears, but just out of respect, amazed, Alice still remained silent, quite an English lady.
Alice must have been a perfect English lady. Out of formality she did not even giggle. She had said that she had met nobody, and the King thinks that she had met somebody called Nobody. My God, he thinks that Nobody is a man, that Nobody is somebody!
Again Alice says, Sir, did I not tell you that I met nobody? Nobody is nobody!
The King laughed and said, Yes, of course nobody is nobody, but why has he not arrived yet?
Such beautiful small parables in both the books, Alice in Wonderland and Alice Through the Looking Glass. And the most strange fact to remember is that Lewis Carroll was not the real name. because he was a mathematician and a schoolmaster; hence he used a pseudo-name. But what a calamity, the pseudonym has become a reality to the whole world and the real man is completely forgotten. It is strange that a mathematician and schoolmaster could write such beautiful books.
You will wonder why I am including them. I am including them because I want to say to the world that to me, Jean-Paul Sartres Being and Nothingness and Lewis Carrolls Alice in Wonderland are all the same. It does not matter. In fact, if I have to choose between the two I will choose Alice in Wonderland and throw Being and Nothingness in the ocean, so far away in the Pacific that nobody will find it again. To me these two small books have great spiritual value. Yes, Im not joking. I mean it.
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Now at the very end of our long list I introduce you to two books of which I think you must have already tasted: Lewis Carrolls Alice in Wonderland, and the eighth is Alice Through the Looking Glass. Both are nonserious, thats why I love them. Both are written for children, thats why I immensely respect them. Both are full of beauty, grandeur, mystery and small parables which can be understood on many many levels. I have always loved one parable, for example.
Alice comes to the King or perhaps it was the Queen, it does not matter and the King asks Alice, Did you meet my messenger coming towards me on the way?
Alice says, I met nobody, sir.
The King then says, Then he must have reached here by now.
Alice could not believe her ears, but just out of respect, amazed, Alice still remained silent, quite an English lady.
Alice must have been a perfect English lady. Out of formality she did not even giggle. She had said that she had met nobody, and the King thinks that she had met somebody called Nobody. My God, he thinks that Nobody is a man, that Nobody is somebody!
Again Alice says, Sir, did I not tell you that I met nobody? Nobody is nobody!
The King laughed and said, Yes, of course nobody is nobody, but why has he not arrived yet?
Such beautiful small parables in both the books, Alice in Wonderland and Alice Through the Looking Glass. And the most strange fact to remember is that Lewis Carroll was not the real name. because he was a mathematician and a schoolmaster; hence he used a pseudo-name. But what a calamity, the pseudonym has become a reality to the whole world and the real man is completely forgotten. It is strange that a mathematician and schoolmaster could write such beautiful books.
You will wonder why I am including them. I am including them because I want to say to the world that to me, Jean-Paul Sartres Being and Nothingness and Lewis Carrolls Alice in Wonderland are all the same. It does not matter. In fact, if I have to choose between the two I will choose Alice in Wonderland and throw Being and Nothingness in the ocean, so far away in the Pacific that nobody will find it again. To me these two small books have great spiritual value. Yes, Im not joking. I mean it.
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Spencer
Its kind of funny that the most dark sides of his personality ended up inspiring the art that caused the most societal impact. However you want to look at his life, the story and feelings he expresses in his stories clearly attempt to reconnect young women with the concept of our dream-like experience of life, how even queens can be both good and evil, and how sometimes the one that knows the most about us appears the most mad, especially when hes trying to properly hat our enormous heads. But like any myth, the true story is always more depressing, perverse, and ultimately rejected by the very people we try to write about. Not everyone is comfortable with experiencing the full range of human emotions.
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Its kind of funny that the most dark sides of his personality ended up inspiring the art that caused the most societal impact. However you want to look at his life, the story and feelings he expresses in his stories clearly attempt to reconnect young women with the concept of our dream-like experience of life, how even queens can be both good and evil, and how sometimes the one that knows the most about us appears the most mad, especially when hes trying to properly hat our enormous heads. But like any myth, the true story is always more depressing, perverse, and ultimately rejected by the very people we try to write about. Not everyone is comfortable with experiencing the full range of human emotions.
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Repent
Yep he was a molester in his mind or other wise. I read when he and sibblings were young they lived away from people in the country and didn't have many friends. Not sure if that was the problem just thought I would try to understand that dastardly mind of his. that movie cartoon made me physically ill when I was a child
. off with her head and complete insanity of it.
Maybe he gave her pills. I hope not it is very sad when children are abused.
God said it was better to have a meal stone tied around your neck and be cast in the deepest ocean than hurt one of His
. In so many words.
I think he never really grew up but he was wiser than these poor children, he knew better.
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Yep he was a molester in his mind or other wise. I read when he and sibblings were young they lived away from people in the country and didn't have many friends. Not sure if that was the problem just thought I would try to understand that dastardly mind of his. that movie cartoon made me physically ill when I was a child
. off with her head and complete insanity of it.
Maybe he gave her pills. I hope not it is very sad when children are abused.
God said it was better to have a meal stone tied around your neck and be cast in the deepest ocean than hurt one of His
. In so many words.
I think he never really grew up but he was wiser than these poor children, he knew better.
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Jake
In the landscape of how creepy this is, it's interesting and important that Alice Liddell never had a bad word to say about Carroll. Which poses a mystery: typically survivors of pedophilia despise their perpetrators. But they may for any reason not realize it, not want to say it, etc. Regardless, that missing page and sudden shift in the relationship doesn't bode well. And taking nude photos of kids, while a popular art form at the time, is really questionable when the parent isn't fully welcome. Carroll's reticence could have been just dislike of that one particular mother but. yeah, if other people aren't fully encouraged to be present, that's not good.
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In the landscape of how creepy this is, it's interesting and important that Alice Liddell never had a bad word to say about Carroll. Which poses a mystery: typically survivors of pedophilia despise their perpetrators. But they may for any reason not realize it, not want to say it, etc. Regardless, that missing page and sudden shift in the relationship doesn't bode well. And taking nude photos of kids, while a popular art form at the time, is really questionable when the parent isn't fully welcome. Carroll's reticence could have been just dislike of that one particular mother but. yeah, if other people aren't fully encouraged to be present, that's not good.
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Mackintosh
It's 100% possible to have pure relationships with older folks as a kid, I remember this couple who lived across the street from us and I would go visit them and get to see their parrot and dog, talk and they would be so happy just to have a kid to look after for alittle bit. But we moved and I was too young for a phone so I have no contact and I'm sure they arnt in this life anymore, I still remember and appreciate the views they gave me and I feel like I'm more respectful to elders because of them.
However, this dude. No. He's a creep.
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It's 100% possible to have pure relationships with older folks as a kid, I remember this couple who lived across the street from us and I would go visit them and get to see their parrot and dog, talk and they would be so happy just to have a kid to look after for alittle bit. But we moved and I was too young for a phone so I have no contact and I'm sure they arnt in this life anymore, I still remember and appreciate the views they gave me and I feel like I'm more respectful to elders because of them.
However, this dude. No. He's a creep.
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Kristy
I think adults can be distant friends to kids. You can watch a movie, maybe take them shopping, and try to be a good role model. I also think no parent is a third wheel and wouldn't feel comfortable without a parent around most of the time. There is good adults and creepy adults this guy sounds like a creeper. probably stalking them and watching them without their knowledge. Then to blame her to say she was the one who was indifferent. No MAN you are. What a sad situation.
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I think adults can be distant friends to kids. You can watch a movie, maybe take them shopping, and try to be a good role model. I also think no parent is a third wheel and wouldn't feel comfortable without a parent around most of the time. There is good adults and creepy adults this guy sounds like a creeper. probably stalking them and watching them without their knowledge. Then to blame her to say she was the one who was indifferent. No MAN you are. What a sad situation.
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Nitro
Seems like Dodgson may have had an unusual relationship with these children. I think it would look relatively normal and harmless but he may have had other unwanted thoughts he fought with but new they were wrong. His relationships seem off putting but not necessarily harmful or wrong just unusual. Like they were 85% normal, but u cant help but ignore that 15% that is nearing pedophilia but not quite.
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Seems like Dodgson may have had an unusual relationship with these children. I think it would look relatively normal and harmless but he may have had other unwanted thoughts he fought with but new they were wrong. His relationships seem off putting but not necessarily harmful or wrong just unusual. Like they were 85% normal, but u cant help but ignore that 15% that is nearing pedophilia but not quite.
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Madame
Back in Victorian England the age of consent was actually 12. Marriage with parental consent was also 12 (boys 14)So when you think about it like that, I dont think in that day & age he was doing anything morally wrong for the times Now in 2022 UK, the age of consent is 16 & we dont turn a hair about thatSo Im sure the people of the time also didnt when it was 12. LUCKILY times change.
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Back in Victorian England the age of consent was actually 12. Marriage with parental consent was also 12 (boys 14)So when you think about it like that, I dont think in that day & age he was doing anything morally wrong for the times Now in 2022 UK, the age of consent is 16 & we dont turn a hair about thatSo Im sure the people of the time also didnt when it was 12. LUCKILY times change.
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Eric
As a teacher. definitely CREEPY. yet, theres (THANK GOD) NO evidence he ever touched or molested her. Not saying its right, but CONTEXT is important too. Back then kissing (alone) was common for all ages. THANKFULLY i dont think he hurt/assaulted her but he was CLEARLY OBSESSED WITH HER. Also, important to note he took many pictures of different girls partly nude, so definitely CREEPY
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As a teacher. definitely CREEPY. yet, theres (THANK GOD) NO evidence he ever touched or molested her. Not saying its right, but CONTEXT is important too. Back then kissing (alone) was common for all ages. THANKFULLY i dont think he hurt/assaulted her but he was CLEARLY OBSESSED WITH HER. Also, important to note he took many pictures of different girls partly nude, so definitely CREEPY
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bruno
This is CRAP. You just viewed internet conspiracy CRAP. Random falsehoods, photographs, innuendo, frequently unrelated to the subject or time, must have been put together is 10 minutes. NOT worth a second of wasted time spent on this. Random pics not related to the narration. CRAP & FALSE narration with dis-associated comments and pics. CRAP.
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bruno
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cs292
It could be that even though he was probably a pedophile, the fear of God, not the law, restrained these Victorian types to act on it. so their, ahem, release, was their work. Though the era of ratting these people out was still very far away. So these kids might have just kept quiet there who liveseven if the creep did something to them.
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It could be that even though he was probably a pedophile, the fear of God, not the law, restrained these Victorian types to act on it. so their, ahem, release, was their work. Though the era of ratting these people out was still very far away. So these kids might have just kept quiet there who liveseven if the creep did something to them.
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bruno
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bruno
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bruno
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Lenn
It is possible he enjoyed kids. And wanted to perfect a story from youth. In the end he may have fell in love with his version of Alice in the stories, but realized Alice when she turned 12 was not the same as he wrote about. Most likely leading to him being upset and writing about it and it being take out of his diary.
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It is possible he enjoyed kids. And wanted to perfect a story from youth. In the end he may have fell in love with his version of Alice in the stories, but realized Alice when she turned 12 was not the same as he wrote about. Most likely leading to him being upset and writing about it and it being take out of his diary.
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MusicManiac
Photographing most young children, I would think he had to have some affinity towards the child's mind, that's okay. His relationship to Alice goes beyond that aka real creepy. Especially that comment made about a lock of hair from that 10 year old girl.
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Photographing most young children, I would think he had to have some affinity towards the child's mind, that's okay. His relationship to Alice goes beyond that aka real creepy. Especially that comment made about a lock of hair from that 10 year old girl.
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Summertrap
God dammit, why do all the wholesome and cool people turn out to be murderers/pedophiles/racists/homophobes? I can't move without bumping against a story about my favourite content creator or childhood figure turning out to be a terrible person.
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God dammit, why do all the wholesome and cool people turn out to be murderers/pedophiles/racists/homophobes? I can't move without bumping against a story about my favourite content creator or childhood figure turning out to be a terrible person.
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Majik
I dont know how creepy he was i have no insight. But as an Artist a child's imagination can be far superior to an adults. So perhaps he used that as inspiration for writing during conversation's with them and it had no nefarious intention's.
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I dont know how creepy he was i have no insight. But as an Artist a child's imagination can be far superior to an adults. So perhaps he used that as inspiration for writing during conversation's with them and it had no nefarious intention's.
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Jackie
The guy had issues, perverted pedophile. Any grown man with a special love of kids is alarming. Parents & guardians watch out for these creeps even if they are family members or upstanding members of the community.
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The guy had issues, perverted pedophile. Any grown man with a special love of kids is alarming. Parents & guardians watch out for these creeps even if they are family members or upstanding members of the community.
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