What if Brazil was a superpower?
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In our timeline, the United States federal government was rather small until the New Deal and World War II. In our timeline, both the United States and Brazil would, well before 1900, achieve some of the elements typical to a modern nation-state:
Strong national identity, displacing home state, skin color and ethnic origin
A military-industrial complex, probably with conscription
Federal antitrust policies to take down agrarian state-level elites
A big federal government investing in infrastructure and academia
In our timeline, the United States got there only with the New Deal and World War II, and Brazil only in the 21st century.
These factors would speed up the Second Industrial Revolution in both these countries. In this timeline, the US would be world-leading in science and technology well before World War I, with Brazil and Western Europe slightly behind.
European immigration to South America would be much greater. In particular, Catholics would choose Brazil instead of the United States, which would remain largely Protestant. Ethnic enclaves by groups such as Italians, Poles and Irish would make up whole cities or states in southern Brazil.
The indigenous populations would be hit hard by the factors above. Many nations and tribes well-known in our universe, would probably be forgotten by the 21st century.
The African Americans and African Brazilians could see a brighter future, with weaker states' rights, higher demand for soldiers and factory workers, and inclusive nationalism.
Date: 2022-07-15
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Gus
Brazil was well on its way to solve many of its problems and become more developed, and even more egalitarian.
in 2014 it had bypassed England and was the 6th largest economy on the planet. It had nearly 400 billion dollars in surplus, and was ranked 4th country in the world in terms of reserves of gold and foreign currency.
Then the U. S. started spying on Brazil's president Rousseff, and had FBI agents paying off judges and federal police in Brazil, with the objective of desestabilize the country by removing through illegal means the Workers Party from power.
Then in 2015, the corrupt politicians with the help of the U. S. started a shameless impeachment process, and the end result was that a tsunami of political instability took over the country and then the economy collapsed.
Blaming only the U. S. for Brazil's misfortunes would be too easy and naive, however, the Big Brother of the North loves to meddle in Brazilian politics and seems to take an extra pleasure in seeing the Brazilian economy going down every once in a awhile.
Every time Brazil has a major crisis, if you follow the money and the main actors involved, you will find the American ambassador, some American companies, some American investors and some crooked Brazilian politicians scheming to create a crisis and make lots of money off that crisis. So until the U. S. releases its grip on Brazil, I dont really think Brazil can ever be a World Player. Because the U. S. wants Brazil as well as all other Latin American countries to be eternal provider of raw commodities.
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Brazil was well on its way to solve many of its problems and become more developed, and even more egalitarian.
in 2014 it had bypassed England and was the 6th largest economy on the planet. It had nearly 400 billion dollars in surplus, and was ranked 4th country in the world in terms of reserves of gold and foreign currency.
Then the U. S. started spying on Brazil's president Rousseff, and had FBI agents paying off judges and federal police in Brazil, with the objective of desestabilize the country by removing through illegal means the Workers Party from power.
Then in 2015, the corrupt politicians with the help of the U. S. started a shameless impeachment process, and the end result was that a tsunami of political instability took over the country and then the economy collapsed.
Blaming only the U. S. for Brazil's misfortunes would be too easy and naive, however, the Big Brother of the North loves to meddle in Brazilian politics and seems to take an extra pleasure in seeing the Brazilian economy going down every once in a awhile.
Every time Brazil has a major crisis, if you follow the money and the main actors involved, you will find the American ambassador, some American companies, some American investors and some crooked Brazilian politicians scheming to create a crisis and make lots of money off that crisis. So until the U. S. releases its grip on Brazil, I dont really think Brazil can ever be a World Player. Because the U. S. wants Brazil as well as all other Latin American countries to be eternal provider of raw commodities.
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Alice
There are THREE pillars to development:
Economic liberalism
Reliable Institutions
Better IQ for the general people
Economic liberalism is reached by open markets, facilitating entrepreneurship, de-bureaucratization, investing in infrastructure and with better and pro-growth bank system;
Reliable Institutions are reached by creating means to fight corruption, respectable and durable laws, lean prison system capable of both re-educating and punishing and the possibility for the people to oversee those institutions operations.
Better IQ for the general population is achieve by huge investments in Education, Technology, professionalization, internationalization of educational patterns and research.
The path to a high HDI country is simple as that. That pillar is Known by the many leaders worldwide, and while they know that, many factors prevent them to implement it. Sometimes it is not in their objectives, and sometimes it is not the leading class of those countries objectives. But with those three pillars, ANY COUNTRY can become as rich as Europe and USA. And those are the pillars in which Brazil has failed and that is why it has not - yet - become a Superpower. The day Brazil reach an acceptable degree of advancement in those three pillars, is the day you're going to see a giant country rising in Southern part of America. Maybe an USA 2. 0 but with no hegemonic feelings, no enemies around the world and no desire to undermining other countries.
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There are THREE pillars to development:
Economic liberalism
Reliable Institutions
Better IQ for the general people
Economic liberalism is reached by open markets, facilitating entrepreneurship, de-bureaucratization, investing in infrastructure and with better and pro-growth bank system;
Reliable Institutions are reached by creating means to fight corruption, respectable and durable laws, lean prison system capable of both re-educating and punishing and the possibility for the people to oversee those institutions operations.
Better IQ for the general population is achieve by huge investments in Education, Technology, professionalization, internationalization of educational patterns and research.
The path to a high HDI country is simple as that. That pillar is Known by the many leaders worldwide, and while they know that, many factors prevent them to implement it. Sometimes it is not in their objectives, and sometimes it is not the leading class of those countries objectives. But with those three pillars, ANY COUNTRY can become as rich as Europe and USA. And those are the pillars in which Brazil has failed and that is why it has not - yet - become a Superpower. The day Brazil reach an acceptable degree of advancement in those three pillars, is the day you're going to see a giant country rising in Southern part of America. Maybe an USA 2. 0 but with no hegemonic feelings, no enemies around the world and no desire to undermining other countries.
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Aurelian
Brazil actually had the status of emerging superpower in the 19th century. Brazil was born in 1822 in the form of a parlimentary monarchy, but it actually worked pretty much the same way as the United States did, with the separation of the head of state and head of govern. The brazilian emperor worked like the american president and the brazilian prime-minister (called president of the ministers council at the time) worked as the states governors, the difference being that there are 50 us state governors and just 1 brazilian prime minister. Brazil actually started to industrialize in the 19th century. There was a massive investment in infrastucture with railways (80% of the current brazilian railway sistem was built in the empire times) electricity, industries etc. The coup d'etat occoured in 1889, 1 year after princess Elizabeth I of Brazil abolished slavery. The military and some triggered former slave owners conducted the coup d'etat. The republican party installed a military dictatorship and banned the imperial family. The country's economy soon declined, and today Brazil sucks in prety much everything except football. If this country want to become a superpower, the sollution will be restaurating the monarchy just like Spain did after franco died.
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Brazil actually had the status of emerging superpower in the 19th century. Brazil was born in 1822 in the form of a parlimentary monarchy, but it actually worked pretty much the same way as the United States did, with the separation of the head of state and head of govern. The brazilian emperor worked like the american president and the brazilian prime-minister (called president of the ministers council at the time) worked as the states governors, the difference being that there are 50 us state governors and just 1 brazilian prime minister. Brazil actually started to industrialize in the 19th century. There was a massive investment in infrastucture with railways (80% of the current brazilian railway sistem was built in the empire times) electricity, industries etc. The coup d'etat occoured in 1889, 1 year after princess Elizabeth I of Brazil abolished slavery. The military and some triggered former slave owners conducted the coup d'etat. The republican party installed a military dictatorship and banned the imperial family. The country's economy soon declined, and today Brazil sucks in prety much everything except football. If this country want to become a superpower, the sollution will be restaurating the monarchy just like Spain did after franco died.
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Steven
Its disingenuous, in my opinion, to surmise that since Brazil and the United States would hate each order that would mean Brazil would join any war exclusively to oppose the United States. War is costly, and likely unpopular, as it was a foreign war. Going to war just to spite your enemy is a terrible strategy, so if Brazil had leadership with two brain cells they would not have joined the war unprovoked.
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Its disingenuous, in my opinion, to surmise that since Brazil and the United States would hate each order that would mean Brazil would join any war exclusively to oppose the United States. War is costly, and likely unpopular, as it was a foreign war. Going to war just to spite your enemy is a terrible strategy, so if Brazil had leadership with two brain cells they would not have joined the war unprovoked.
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Muhammad
6: 30 I disagree and I think so would current you with this prediction. WW1 was a stalemate and america joining pushed allies to victory but with a power similar to America's power joining, it would just neutralize the affect because first of all America would be distracted in the south and Germans would have the resources of Brazil aswell
I think it would just be a greater stalemate
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6: 30 I disagree and I think so would current you with this prediction. WW1 was a stalemate and america joining pushed allies to victory but with a power similar to America's power joining, it would just neutralize the affect because first of all America would be distracted in the south and Germans would have the resources of Brazil aswell
I think it would just be a greater stalemate
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Comrade
This makes me mad, due to the corrupt assholes running brazil, it cant reach its potential to form the once great Empire of Brazil. If a revolution were to happen and those leaders dealt with, then Brazil would claim its rightful place as superpower. And Order and Progress, on the flag? Bull shit! Step up and claim your land because it is yours, not Jair Bolsonaros.
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This makes me mad, due to the corrupt assholes running brazil, it cant reach its potential to form the once great Empire of Brazil. If a revolution were to happen and those leaders dealt with, then Brazil would claim its rightful place as superpower. And Order and Progress, on the flag? Bull shit! Step up and claim your land because it is yours, not Jair Bolsonaros.
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Thx
This Szenario makes no sense.
Why should America instantly join the entente (which you called allies) when they where isolationist and Germany didnt make anything wrong yet.
And why should Brazil instantly hate America when they had nothing to get from eachother
And why should Brazil never send any troops or supplies to the central power when America did
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This Szenario makes no sense.
Why should America instantly join the entente (which you called allies) when they where isolationist and Germany didnt make anything wrong yet.
And why should Brazil instantly hate America when they had nothing to get from eachother
And why should Brazil never send any troops or supplies to the central power when America did
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Thomas
Basically, Brazil had all it needed to become a superpower, except the kickstart. The population that came here didn't come to live, as they did in the US and other colonies, but to extract resources to send back to Portugal, and the only reason it was moderately developed was because the royal family had to flee napoleon in the 19th century.
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Basically, Brazil had all it needed to become a superpower, except the kickstart. The population that came here didn't come to live, as they did in the US and other colonies, but to extract resources to send back to Portugal, and the only reason it was moderately developed was because the royal family had to flee napoleon in the 19th century.
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Greetings_Comrade
If only Brazil had industrialized earlier and followed a military expansion doctrine they would have been able not only to shape South America's history but they would end up playing a huge role in the world theater and most likely would only come to start their decline of power after ww2
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If only Brazil had industrialized earlier and followed a military expansion doctrine they would have been able not only to shape South America's history but they would end up playing a huge role in the world theater and most likely would only come to start their decline of power after ww2
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