#2 What if the Mongol Invasions never Happened?
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Also without The Mongols the Osmanouglus wouldn't have been forced into anatolia and Rum would have lasteed longer, meaning no ottomans, which assuming butterflies don't ruin things, might mean wladyslaw the third of Poland would have survived longer and thus let Poland have an easier time keeping Hungary, which means no Austrian Empire. Also Anatolia would Likely be MUCH more Greek today, especially in Asia Minor, Pontus, and the Sea of Mamara region, along with Eastern Thrace, for the simple fact that MUCH less turkic tribes would be draged into Anatolia
Date: 2022-07-15
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Clee4000
Not exactly? China would not stay the same!
China would have entered the Industrial Age before anyone else. Before? The Mongol threat and invasion, China was approaching the Industrial Age. They already had advance machines, reforms, the emperor gave nobles and merchants more private matters, and etc. Right before the invasion by the Mongols China was ready to enter the Industrial Age. China would be the first nation/civilization by 5 to 6 hundred years before the Western world would have. China? Would have been the leading power today!
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Not exactly? China would not stay the same!
China would have entered the Industrial Age before anyone else. Before? The Mongol threat and invasion, China was approaching the Industrial Age. They already had advance machines, reforms, the emperor gave nobles and merchants more private matters, and etc. Right before the invasion by the Mongols China was ready to enter the Industrial Age. China would be the first nation/civilization by 5 to 6 hundred years before the Western world would have. China? Would have been the leading power today!
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Strawberries
so you didn't mention the demise of the eastern powers that were way more cultured and influential than the west. Baghdad wouldn't have been burnt and Arabic would still be the language of business. Northern India wouldn't have taken in hundreds of thousands of refugees, china would still be the most culturally advanced region. But you mentioned Sweden, the far west of Germany. Not to be a sjw but seriously, most of the cultural and scientific centers of the world weren't in Europe, but Asia.
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so you didn't mention the demise of the eastern powers that were way more cultured and influential than the west. Baghdad wouldn't have been burnt and Arabic would still be the language of business. Northern India wouldn't have taken in hundreds of thousands of refugees, china would still be the most culturally advanced region. But you mentioned Sweden, the far west of Germany. Not to be a sjw but seriously, most of the cultural and scientific centers of the world weren't in Europe, but Asia.
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Maxwell
China wouldnt be different?
Okay, here we go.
No Yuan Dynasty, no Ming Dynasty, a very different Qing Dynasty, and the Song and Jin Dynasties would porbably battle it out for control of China withought the Mongols destroying the Jin and eventually the Song. Whether or not the Jin or Song wins, the genetic structure and culture of all of East Asia would be different.
Seems like quite alot of change to me.
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China wouldnt be different?
Okay, here we go.
No Yuan Dynasty, no Ming Dynasty, a very different Qing Dynasty, and the Song and Jin Dynasties would porbably battle it out for control of China withought the Mongols destroying the Jin and eventually the Song. Whether or not the Jin or Song wins, the genetic structure and culture of all of East Asia would be different.
Seems like quite alot of change to me.
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88kjk75
You are mistaken, without the Mongols there would be no Ottomans, the Mongol Invasion and the subsequent establishment of the western khanates forced a great deal of Turkmen tribes to emigrate from central Asia into Turkish held Anatolia, one of these tribes was the ttibe of Osman's father. Also the Mongols drove the last nail in the coffin of a decaying Rum Sultanate, so it might have survived without them longer.
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You are mistaken, without the Mongols there would be no Ottomans, the Mongol Invasion and the subsequent establishment of the western khanates forced a great deal of Turkmen tribes to emigrate from central Asia into Turkish held Anatolia, one of these tribes was the ttibe of Osman's father. Also the Mongols drove the last nail in the coffin of a decaying Rum Sultanate, so it might have survived without them longer.
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Belal
this video actually slightly answer my question (What if the Abbasid survived) but all other civilizations survive too.
I want to ad a little bit, without the Mongols, the Turks would not have migrated to modern day Turkey in large numbers, and if the Abbasid were the ones to defeat them, then that would spark the age or rebirth for the empire, now that they have the military might to restore their lost glory.
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this video actually slightly answer my question (What if the Abbasid survived) but all other civilizations survive too.
I want to ad a little bit, without the Mongols, the Turks would not have migrated to modern day Turkey in large numbers, and if the Abbasid were the ones to defeat them, then that would spark the age or rebirth for the empire, now that they have the military might to restore their lost glory.
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Casey
Black Death or similar might not have actually occured. He missed the economic impact of the Mongol hegemony and it enabling the recreation of the silk road. Had there not berm a unifying power the stretched across central Asia then it's unlikely that movement across it would have been as easy -or profitable- thereby making the disease Much harder to of spread
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Black Death or similar might not have actually occured. He missed the economic impact of the Mongol hegemony and it enabling the recreation of the silk road. Had there not berm a unifying power the stretched across central Asia then it's unlikely that movement across it would have been as easy -or profitable- thereby making the disease Much harder to of spread
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education
I forgot his name but 1 pope once wrote a letter to the Ottoman Sultan, asking him to convert to Christianity. He offered to accept him as legitimate ruler of what he conquered when he does.
Could you do a What if the Sultan accepted video? How would that change the Ottoman/European relations and would they concentrate more on Asian conquests instead?
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I forgot his name but 1 pope once wrote a letter to the Ottoman Sultan, asking him to convert to Christianity. He offered to accept him as legitimate ruler of what he conquered when he does.
Could you do a What if the Sultan accepted video? How would that change the Ottoman/European relations and would they concentrate more on Asian conquests instead?
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Rigo
The hypothesis that plague was first introduced by Mongols sieging Kaffa and then being spread by Genoese traders IS NOT A FACT. It was likely in those cities well before Mongol invasions, being carried by any number of ships from the east or by trade caravans from the silk road. The story is cool but its unlikely and impossible to prove.
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The hypothesis that plague was first introduced by Mongols sieging Kaffa and then being spread by Genoese traders IS NOT A FACT. It was likely in those cities well before Mongol invasions, being carried by any number of ships from the east or by trade caravans from the silk road. The story is cool but its unlikely and impossible to prove.
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whatifalthist
Wait, the Ilkhanate was respondible of bringing the ottomans ancestors into Anatolia, so technically without the mongols there would be no ottomans but the seljuks, who were not as agressive as the ottomans were, so Anatolia would remain between Byzantine and Seljuk hands.
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Wait, the Ilkhanate was respondible of bringing the ottomans ancestors into Anatolia, so technically without the mongols there would be no ottomans but the seljuks, who were not as agressive as the ottomans were, so Anatolia would remain between Byzantine and Seljuk hands.
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