What if Harald Hardrada conquered England?
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Date: 2022-07-15
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PruCo
Norway would probably be a strong colonial power. Separated from any hostile nations once England and Denmark cut off, Norway would find power in the navy. Combined with a seafaring exploration heritage, it is easy to see Norse Greenland and Vinland expand in this timeline. I think Greenland would be plurality Inuit due to the land being simply uninviting, while Vinland would become majority Norwegian. Through trade with the Skraeling (natives, the Amerindians would adapt sooner and thus we would see Amerindian states survive. However, maritime connections being formed by Norway sooner might mean the colonization of America would just happen earlier so I am not sure.
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Norway would probably be a strong colonial power. Separated from any hostile nations once England and Denmark cut off, Norway would find power in the navy. Combined with a seafaring exploration heritage, it is easy to see Norse Greenland and Vinland expand in this timeline. I think Greenland would be plurality Inuit due to the land being simply uninviting, while Vinland would become majority Norwegian. Through trade with the Skraeling (natives, the Amerindians would adapt sooner and thus we would see Amerindian states survive. However, maritime connections being formed by Norway sooner might mean the colonization of America would just happen earlier so I am not sure.
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Sir
I don't think that Harald conquering England would make much difference. In Norway, lands were distributed equally between sons. Harald had two sons so one would inherit England and the other Norway. However, his first born son died and Olaf was thus the only one left.
Still the problem would only pass to Olaf. Unless Harald or Olaf becomes powerful enough to enforce Primogeniture, I think the biggest difference would be language and less disputes with France.
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I don't think that Harald conquering England would make much difference. In Norway, lands were distributed equally between sons. Harald had two sons so one would inherit England and the other Norway. However, his first born son died and Olaf was thus the only one left.
Still the problem would only pass to Olaf. Unless Harald or Olaf becomes powerful enough to enforce Primogeniture, I think the biggest difference would be language and less disputes with France.
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Mc
You can't help to wonder if Harald and the Norwegian vikings never invaded would the English/Anglo-Saxons have won against the Normans because they would not have lost a lot of troops against the vikings.
Or if Harald Hardrada's army had not left their Armour and equipment down by their ships and not being naked into battle, would they have won against Godwinson.
But would they have won against Normans?
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You can't help to wonder if Harald and the Norwegian vikings never invaded would the English/Anglo-Saxons have won against the Normans because they would not have lost a lot of troops against the vikings.
Or if Harald Hardrada's army had not left their Armour and equipment down by their ships and not being naked into battle, would they have won against Godwinson.
But would they have won against Normans?
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Bob
I just want to point out that, not all ''Danes'' and ''Danelaw'' were actually Danish people. ''Danes'' was a common word used for Scandinavians, despite if they actually were from Denmark, Norway or Sweden. Like the word ''Norsemen/Norseman'' is actually a word for a ''Norwegian'', but the word ''Norsemen'' were used as a common word despite if the Scandinavians actually were from Norway, Denmark or Sweden.
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I just want to point out that, not all ''Danes'' and ''Danelaw'' were actually Danish people. ''Danes'' was a common word used for Scandinavians, despite if they actually were from Denmark, Norway or Sweden. Like the word ''Norsemen/Norseman'' is actually a word for a ''Norwegian'', but the word ''Norsemen'' were used as a common word despite if the Scandinavians actually were from Norway, Denmark or Sweden.
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Dean
As a Briton I'd have personally preferred England to have remained Scandinavian/Germanic over Norman. We would not have been the powerhouse and influential presence in history we were in our timeline. But, take a look at modern day Britain, and modern day Scandinavia, and I think it's safe to say which culture prevailed in the long run.
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As a Briton I'd have personally preferred England to have remained Scandinavian/Germanic over Norman. We would not have been the powerhouse and influential presence in history we were in our timeline. But, take a look at modern day Britain, and modern day Scandinavia, and I think it's safe to say which culture prevailed in the long run.
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Spicyboi
Good video
But harald hadrada was a pagan
I dont think he or his descendants like harald sigurdsson
But would probably try to fight more against the quoting your video Anglo-danish invading from the west. and the Norwegian from the north. and danish crossing borders if the timeline was the same
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Good video
But harald hadrada was a pagan
I dont think he or his descendants like harald sigurdsson
But would probably try to fight more against the quoting your video Anglo-danish invading from the west. and the Norwegian from the north. and danish crossing borders if the timeline was the same
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Shadow
this put everything into a new light. i always thought the english were a bit dumb to force themselves into keeping their french holdings, when simply stamping out the scottish and securing their rear would have been a better option, but populations is what brings the taxes and bodies for armies.
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this put everything into a new light. i always thought the english were a bit dumb to force themselves into keeping their french holdings, when simply stamping out the scottish and securing their rear would have been a better option, but populations is what brings the taxes and bodies for armies.
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whatifalthist
Even without the norman territorial claims there was still the many duchies, vassals and principalities inside modern day France, in the time of Louis IX he only controlled some part of Paris, not even the whole region, the territories he controlled was called France then lille
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Even without the norman territorial claims there was still the many duchies, vassals and principalities inside modern day France, in the time of Louis IX he only controlled some part of Paris, not even the whole region, the territories he controlled was called France then lille
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PtolemyJones
I was taught that the Romans were very close to subduing Scotland before they started pulling out troops and more significantly fleets. One has to wonder if the British Isle might have been a more homogeneous cultural entity with no separate Scottish identity developing.
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I was taught that the Romans were very close to subduing Scotland before they started pulling out troops and more significantly fleets. One has to wonder if the British Isle might have been a more homogeneous cultural entity with no separate Scottish identity developing.
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