Nobody can stop you from stealing The Great Gatsby
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Date: 2023-12-10
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-avrilayers
oh hey, I did one of those! I designed The Great Gatsby: The Tabletop Roleplaying Game. the gameplay in my game is specifically about the public domain and has the players selecting public domain characters to play (and includes a table that lets you know that, starting next year, you're allowed to play the game as Walt Disney's mouse OC) and is about the tension between nostalgia for the past and the desire to create new things and how that relates to both the novel (and Gatsby's whole deal with Daisy) and to our collective relationship with copyrighted material.
if you bought the Indie Bundle for Abortion Funds on itch last July, you own this one, btw!
also here's a fun note: the game includes an overview of the plot of the novel as a tool for the GM in case they can't recall exactly what it's about, and my first draft of just the first chapter's summary was 3000 words long. my editor was very upset at me.
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oh hey, I did one of those! I designed The Great Gatsby: The Tabletop Roleplaying Game. the gameplay in my game is specifically about the public domain and has the players selecting public domain characters to play (and includes a table that lets you know that, starting next year, you're allowed to play the game as Walt Disney's mouse OC) and is about the tension between nostalgia for the past and the desire to create new things and how that relates to both the novel (and Gatsby's whole deal with Daisy) and to our collective relationship with copyrighted material.
if you bought the Indie Bundle for Abortion Funds on itch last July, you own this one, btw!
also here's a fun note: the game includes an overview of the plot of the novel as a tool for the GM in case they can't recall exactly what it's about, and my first draft of just the first chapter's summary was 3000 words long. my editor was very upset at me.
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-turdleyurtle
The best stolen version of The Great Gatsby is Gossip Girl (the TV show version) tbh. If that could be gamified, that would be perfect.
Edit: I am deadly serious. Dan is Gossip Girl, a -rich- but not -RICH-rich, - guy, who acts like he's better than all the other terrible awful rich people he hangs out with. He pretends to be an outsider (from Brooklyn, rather than LI) but he starts richer than most people already, and he becomes part of the UES set. He acts like he's studying the melodrama and is the outsider looking-in, but everything he dislikes about the rich circles he's observing is something reflected in himself. He's also (to a lesser extent) the version of Jay who -wins- Daisy (Serena) who was the obsession he wanted to obtain. I'm always impressed they got away with this haha.
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The best stolen version of The Great Gatsby is Gossip Girl (the TV show version) tbh. If that could be gamified, that would be perfect.
Edit: I am deadly serious. Dan is Gossip Girl, a -rich- but not -RICH-rich, - guy, who acts like he's better than all the other terrible awful rich people he hangs out with. He pretends to be an outsider (from Brooklyn, rather than LI) but he starts richer than most people already, and he becomes part of the UES set. He acts like he's studying the melodrama and is the outsider looking-in, but everything he dislikes about the rich circles he's observing is something reflected in himself. He's also (to a lesser extent) the version of Jay who -wins- Daisy (Serena) who was the obsession he wanted to obtain. I'm always impressed they got away with this haha.
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-JCintheBCC
I feel like this video would benefit from a discussion, or at least mention of Fair Use doctrine. The closing argument of the video is that copyright should not stifle literary criticism, commentary, and parody. That's expressly what Fair Use is. The Copyright Office says -Transformative uses are those that add something new, with a further purpose or different character, and do not substitute for the original use of the work. - All of these games seem to provide either parody, criticism, or commentary without substituting for the original use of the work.
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I feel like this video would benefit from a discussion, or at least mention of Fair Use doctrine. The closing argument of the video is that copyright should not stifle literary criticism, commentary, and parody. That's expressly what Fair Use is. The Copyright Office says -Transformative uses are those that add something new, with a further purpose or different character, and do not substitute for the original use of the work. - All of these games seem to provide either parody, criticism, or commentary without substituting for the original use of the work.
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-JCintheBCC
9: 50 - -Patents have been used to stifle innovation in games- - Strictly speaking, duplicating something that has already been created is not innovation. The MW definition is literally: -a new idea, method, or device-. Stifling creativity, perhaps, if the patent is enforced against people who create new minigames with new designs and characters and stories (and then insist on publishing that minigame -exclusively- in a loading screen, but not innovation.
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9: 50 - -Patents have been used to stifle innovation in games- - Strictly speaking, duplicating something that has already been created is not innovation. The MW definition is literally: -a new idea, method, or device-. Stifling creativity, perhaps, if the patent is enforced against people who create new minigames with new designs and characters and stories (and then insist on publishing that minigame -exclusively- in a loading screen, but not innovation.
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-drewbabe
Ideas, and information in general, can't be owned. Information copies itself when it comes into contact with a conscious mind. -Intellectual property- law is nonsense and should be abolished on the same grounds as things like state religion-it's both based on fiction, and it's actively harmful and coercive. Infringing on someone else's copyright or patent is extremely cool and more people should do it.
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Ideas, and information in general, can't be owned. Information copies itself when it comes into contact with a conscious mind. -Intellectual property- law is nonsense and should be abolished on the same grounds as things like state religion-it's both based on fiction, and it's actively harmful and coercive. Infringing on someone else's copyright or patent is extremely cool and more people should do it.
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-robberofjacks2072
I think hating the book for rich man saying he isn't like the other rich people is kinda silly. That's just a character and characters should be human. They don't need to make sense to us because they aren't us. They should be themselves. I liked the book, I think I liked most books that were forced but also kept stacking up books when I was younger cause school is for wack people
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I think hating the book for rich man saying he isn't like the other rich people is kinda silly. That's just a character and characters should be human. They don't need to make sense to us because they aren't us. They should be themselves. I liked the book, I think I liked most books that were forced but also kept stacking up books when I was younger cause school is for wack people
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-fortwas
Itch game jams have done more tor the furtherance of art than a lot of other things I could name. I was gonna say copyright but copyright laws are good up to a point. I think 90 years or whatever it is is way too long, but 5-10 years, depending on the thing being copyrighted, makes sense so that artists can make money without immediately having their idea stolen from under them.
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Itch game jams have done more tor the furtherance of art than a lot of other things I could name. I was gonna say copyright but copyright laws are good up to a point. I think 90 years or whatever it is is way too long, but 5-10 years, depending on the thing being copyrighted, makes sense so that artists can make money without immediately having their idea stolen from under them.
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-WolfWalrus
Hate how expensive legal services are. Court cases can bankrupt a smaller company, even if they end up winning, and bigger companies know that they can afford to eat the costs, but they also know that lots of small companies just won't call their bluff, because they can't afford to. It gives big companies much more power than is actually based on the law in their corner.
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Hate how expensive legal services are. Court cases can bankrupt a smaller company, even if they end up winning, and bigger companies know that they can afford to eat the costs, but they also know that lots of small companies just won't call their bluff, because they can't afford to. It gives big companies much more power than is actually based on the law in their corner.
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-alainterieur4837
I had that book as required reading in my English as third language class in Switzerland. It was a pretty interesting read, but sometimes the vocabulary was a bit too advanced for my then B2 (5. 5 IELTS) proficiency level. Watching the movie helped me a lot to better understand what was happening, because it some passages were still a bit fuzzy in my head
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I had that book as required reading in my English as third language class in Switzerland. It was a pretty interesting read, but sometimes the vocabulary was a bit too advanced for my then B2 (5. 5 IELTS) proficiency level. Watching the movie helped me a lot to better understand what was happening, because it some passages were still a bit fuzzy in my head
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-MonterdewPSN
Got to be real, this was a really well written video! At first I clicked because I was intrigued by the title and loved the book. This video discusses a lot of great points and further discusses other issues while using Gatsby as a baseline to look at other more important topics and to get us thinking. So I say thank you.
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Got to be real, this was a really well written video! At first I clicked because I was intrigued by the title and loved the book. This video discusses a lot of great points and further discusses other issues while using Gatsby as a baseline to look at other more important topics and to get us thinking. So I say thank you.
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-MattMcIrvin
The -ashen land- was the passage that really stuck in my brain when I originally read the book--whenever I happened across some blasted industrial wasteland I remembered it. Only later realized that I'd been to the actual place--the area is what later became Flushing Meadows/Corona Park, the site of the 1964 World's Fair.
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The -ashen land- was the passage that really stuck in my brain when I originally read the book--whenever I happened across some blasted industrial wasteland I remembered it. Only later realized that I'd been to the actual place--the area is what later became Flushing Meadows/Corona Park, the site of the 1964 World's Fair.
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-golden_starlight_
it's so sad that copyright in the hands of corporations kills the creativity of everything else but as a small artist you're almost forced to copyright everything bc if you don't those same corporations will steal everything from you and then sue you even if you had the original idea
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it's so sad that copyright in the hands of corporations kills the creativity of everything else but as a small artist you're almost forced to copyright everything bc if you don't those same corporations will steal everything from you and then sue you even if you had the original idea
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-wowRichtoad
I have always wanted the Chao garden to come back. I have not bought a 3D Sonic game in a long long time (since Unleased, but if there was a Chao garden I 100% would. If someone were to make a Chao Garden simulator, and just reskin it so it was different I would definitely buy it.
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I have always wanted the Chao garden to come back. I have not bought a 3D Sonic game in a long long time (since Unleased, but if there was a Chao garden I 100% would. If someone were to make a Chao Garden simulator, and just reskin it so it was different I would definitely buy it.
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-haphazardlark1502
The hark a vagrant strips on this book are just playing on the back of my eyelids every time I blink when I listen to this excellent essay. Bit of tonal whiplash between learning all this cool stuff while OLD AS BALLS and WHAT BABY keep interrupting me. Help
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The hark a vagrant strips on this book are just playing on the back of my eyelids every time I blink when I listen to this excellent essay. Bit of tonal whiplash between learning all this cool stuff while OLD AS BALLS and WHAT BABY keep interrupting me. Help
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-TheGlooga
watching this video made me realize that the sun also rises is already in public domain and there's no -i picked a fight with a bull and died horribly- game where jake picks a fight with a bull and dies horribly. whats even the point
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watching this video made me realize that the sun also rises is already in public domain and there's no -i picked a fight with a bull and died horribly- game where jake picks a fight with a bull and dies horribly. whats even the point
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-cinnamon_shakes
Never read The Great Gatsby and while I had picked up bits and pieces, this is the first time the plot was explained to me. Nice to know I wasn't wrong about the car accident bit. (Also Simone your hair looks so nice)
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Never read The Great Gatsby and while I had picked up bits and pieces, this is the first time the plot was explained to me. Nice to know I wasn't wrong about the car accident bit. (Also Simone your hair looks so nice)
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polygon
I absolutely adore the Nemesis System, and absolutely loathe the Warner Bro-s patenting of it. Shadow of War is easily top 20 maybe even top 10 games of all time for me, but it-s- it-s just such a shitty, stifling thing to do
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I absolutely adore the Nemesis System, and absolutely loathe the Warner Bro-s patenting of it. Shadow of War is easily top 20 maybe even top 10 games of all time for me, but it-s- it-s just such a shitty, stifling thing to do
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-andrewsprague4566
Is that how you pronounce Sprague? Is that how he pronounces it? That's not how I have ever pronounced it. I know some people pronounce it without an ah instead of an eay but I've never heard it with an aaaa.
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Is that how you pronounce Sprague? Is that how he pronounces it? That's not how I have ever pronounced it. I know some people pronounce it without an ah instead of an eay but I've never heard it with an aaaa.
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-kobuseksteen411
Hey, can you make a video that covers The Great Gatsby, Copyright Law, Game Jams, DnD, videogame patents and the flaws within that system, including how huge corporations abuse the courts? - Hold my appletini!
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Hey, can you make a video that covers The Great Gatsby, Copyright Law, Game Jams, DnD, videogame patents and the flaws within that system, including how huge corporations abuse the courts? - Hold my appletini!
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-jonmiller6787
Whoops, yet another gamer legal misunderstanding perpetually misinformation!
Do more research, and do it with a lawyer next time.
Wizard's of the Coast was wrong and dumb, but not in those ways.
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Whoops, yet another gamer legal misunderstanding perpetually misinformation!
Do more research, and do it with a lawyer next time.
Wizard's of the Coast was wrong and dumb, but not in those ways.
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-AllieRouthier
haven't clicked on a polygon video in a while but this one caught my eye, watching it made me remember how much I really love polygon's videos: ) why did I ever leave! I have returned home
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haven't clicked on a polygon video in a while but this one caught my eye, watching it made me remember how much I really love polygon's videos: ) why did I ever leave! I have returned home
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-robzs8388
Ironic how that one dude seems to be completely oblivious to the fact that TGG is literally a critique of the upper class, and the romance is really just the plot. The themes are all Rich Bad
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Ironic how that one dude seems to be completely oblivious to the fact that TGG is literally a critique of the upper class, and the romance is really just the plot. The themes are all Rich Bad
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-chasingdaze
These devs are all cowards or someone would have done -Daisy's Fun Drive! - the endless racing game where you have to hit as many Myrtles as possible (they're turtles because it rhymes)
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These devs are all cowards or someone would have done -Daisy's Fun Drive! - the endless racing game where you have to hit as many Myrtles as possible (they're turtles because it rhymes)
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-tomservodoctor42
I remember that around 2010 or so, there was a free flash game online that was a 2d nes style platformer based on The Great Gatsby. Wonder if it's still out there somewhere.
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I remember that around 2010 or so, there was a free flash game online that was a 2d nes style platformer based on The Great Gatsby. Wonder if it's still out there somewhere.
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-TheSpyder49
nothing makes me more angry than copyright and patent laws. which is why i share an online ttrpg collection worth thousands of dollars with as many strangers as i can
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nothing makes me more angry than copyright and patent laws. which is why i share an online ttrpg collection worth thousands of dollars with as many strangers as i can
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-coey2
So glad this conversation went into issues with copyright law. I wish more people realized how these laws uphold corporate greed and choke creativity.
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So glad this conversation went into issues with copyright law. I wish more people realized how these laws uphold corporate greed and choke creativity.
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-ButtonGirl22
I have a game I play with Polygon videos without people in the thumbnail where I guess who made the video, but this one was a little too easy-
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I have a game I play with Polygon videos without people in the thumbnail where I guess who made the video, but this one was a little too easy-
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-sax87ton
Dude I hated gatsby. There's one character. His name is tom. He's the villain.
Everyone else is just sits around not doing anything.
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Dude I hated gatsby. There's one character. His name is tom. He's the villain.
Everyone else is just sits around not doing anything.
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-3n3my33
does this woman actually move her hands like that in normal conversations or does she practice them in the mirror before every shoot
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does this woman actually move her hands like that in normal conversations or does she practice them in the mirror before every shoot
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-shwah8299
I went to a diverse middle class high school, it was insulting that they made us read this boring story about rich white people
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I went to a diverse middle class high school, it was insulting that they made us read this boring story about rich white people
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