HW News - NVIDIA & Reviewers, RISC-V Core Designs, 8GHz Intel CPU OC, & CPU Shortages
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Date: 2020-12-22
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Comments and reviews: 10
Gui
Thanks for that long awaited explanation about shortages. There is another thing that comes into play, in some places I think : outside of the usual players (HP, Lenovo, etc...) and SIs we have in every country, I've noticed that recently, for instance, our French wannabe equivalent of Microcenter started selling (or at least started trying selling) shitloads of prebuilt systems, which they were not doing (or to a muuuuuuuuch lesser extent) before. Here's the fun thing when you look at them :
- these systems are really overpriced
- and have one big common denominator : most of them consist of a shitty mobo, with like only 16 GB RAM, and generally low quality components, but with RTX 3060 Ti, RTX 3070 and RTX 3080. While, guess what, these GPUs are of course out of stock to be bought individually.
I see some poor practice of using these low quality systems as a sink for older components, betting on the fact that people are so desperate for GPUs.
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Thanks for that long awaited explanation about shortages. There is another thing that comes into play, in some places I think : outside of the usual players (HP, Lenovo, etc...) and SIs we have in every country, I've noticed that recently, for instance, our French wannabe equivalent of Microcenter started selling (or at least started trying selling) shitloads of prebuilt systems, which they were not doing (or to a muuuuuuuuch lesser extent) before. Here's the fun thing when you look at them :
- these systems are really overpriced
- and have one big common denominator : most of them consist of a shitty mobo, with like only 16 GB RAM, and generally low quality components, but with RTX 3060 Ti, RTX 3070 and RTX 3080. While, guess what, these GPUs are of course out of stock to be bought individually.
I see some poor practice of using these low quality systems as a sink for older components, betting on the fact that people are so desperate for GPUs.
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Paulo
What is happening is this, big companies run the governments and they can play with the consumer at will and laugh about it. They said FU to the consumer before and laughed about it, then said sorry while doing the same with the other hand and then apologised again. This is the abuse that is coming from all huge corps this next few years and we are playing right into the fire, they will walk away. We will be at war again. This is just a reminder of the power that be playing with us during their solstice event of WE OWN THE WORLD, AND WE HAVE NO USE FOR YOU NOW AND WE WILL MAKE SURE YOU ALL KNOW IT. We are testing their new future. Welcome to the gradual breakdown of everything we know, there will be a lot of good usable tech sat doing nothing soon while we are fighting about the state of humanity. Who is lying and who is truthful? Hunger games is coming................ This is just filling the stockings until they push the BIG button.
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What is happening is this, big companies run the governments and they can play with the consumer at will and laugh about it. They said FU to the consumer before and laughed about it, then said sorry while doing the same with the other hand and then apologised again. This is the abuse that is coming from all huge corps this next few years and we are playing right into the fire, they will walk away. We will be at war again. This is just a reminder of the power that be playing with us during their solstice event of WE OWN THE WORLD, AND WE HAVE NO USE FOR YOU NOW AND WE WILL MAKE SURE YOU ALL KNOW IT. We are testing their new future. Welcome to the gradual breakdown of everything we know, there will be a lot of good usable tech sat doing nothing soon while we are fighting about the state of humanity. Who is lying and who is truthful? Hunger games is coming................ This is just filling the stockings until they push the BIG button.
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Vijay
I work in the logistics industry and was wondering what actually is going on that products are stranded in china as you said. Turned out, the problem is not the hight demand or available ships or so but rather the fact that China is exporting much more than it imports (from US or EU, its the same thing for both). This causes that a lot more shipping containers are going out of china than return, usually containers are filled in EU or US and then shipped back with products in it. But because of the much higher china exports a lot of containers need to be shipped back empty which obviously is not very profitable for any one involved. At the end of the day ports and other cargo hubs in china are short on shipping containers for months now, which is causing the supply shortage in the rest of the world, as ridiculous as it sounds, but thats is the cause.
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I work in the logistics industry and was wondering what actually is going on that products are stranded in china as you said. Turned out, the problem is not the hight demand or available ships or so but rather the fact that China is exporting much more than it imports (from US or EU, its the same thing for both). This causes that a lot more shipping containers are going out of china than return, usually containers are filled in EU or US and then shipped back with products in it. But because of the much higher china exports a lot of containers need to be shipped back empty which obviously is not very profitable for any one involved. At the end of the day ports and other cargo hubs in china are short on shipping containers for months now, which is causing the supply shortage in the rest of the world, as ridiculous as it sounds, but thats is the cause.
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Abdul
So I've been meaning to point out some important things that has been going on in INDIA. After the launch of the new Ryzen 5 5000 CPUs, here the AMD authorized sellers of amazon, MD Computers, etc are selling these CPUs for more than 35% of the MSRP, which means that if the MSRP of the amd 5600x in india is Rs.27000 ( 366 in US ) then amazon is selling it for Rs. 41000 ( 555 in US)
So, what i am basically trying to say, is that AMD has no control over their sellers so they are selling the products at whatever the price they want to, which in turn lowers the Price to Performance ratio which AMD is primarily known for. Its a Humble Request from Us to you to please at least make AMD aware of the things that is going on in my country, so they can keep a check on it.
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So I've been meaning to point out some important things that has been going on in INDIA. After the launch of the new Ryzen 5 5000 CPUs, here the AMD authorized sellers of amazon, MD Computers, etc are selling these CPUs for more than 35% of the MSRP, which means that if the MSRP of the amd 5600x in india is Rs.27000 ( 366 in US ) then amazon is selling it for Rs. 41000 ( 555 in US)
So, what i am basically trying to say, is that AMD has no control over their sellers so they are selling the products at whatever the price they want to, which in turn lowers the Price to Performance ratio which AMD is primarily known for. Its a Humble Request from Us to you to please at least make AMD aware of the things that is going on in my country, so they can keep a check on it.
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Pat
Here's a crazy though - nvidia is right. Say whatever you want about the email to HUB from PR perspective, but the underlying message is correct.
Ray tracing is the future of computer graphics. The only way for it to become the norm is wide adoption in popular engines and games. For developers to use it, the hardware must be able to cope with it.
Imagine RTX 4000 series having same raster performance per tier but 3-4 times the RT? Would revewers call it bad? Would they judge it based on raster alone and consider a fail like 2000 series? No one will take the risk if consumers are told to avoid hardware because people influencing buyer opinions are not convinced.
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Here's a crazy though - nvidia is right. Say whatever you want about the email to HUB from PR perspective, but the underlying message is correct.
Ray tracing is the future of computer graphics. The only way for it to become the norm is wide adoption in popular engines and games. For developers to use it, the hardware must be able to cope with it.
Imagine RTX 4000 series having same raster performance per tier but 3-4 times the RT? Would revewers call it bad? Would they judge it based on raster alone and consider a fail like 2000 series? No one will take the risk if consumers are told to avoid hardware because people influencing buyer opinions are not convinced.
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pino
I think there need to be a 10-20% value penalty for asshats that buy crap and then return what they dont want after trying. It costs shops money or screwed people with used products and for example key codes that wont work. its unacceptabel and used or shipped out products should not be able to be returned for free without a defect Add some personal responsibility and research before you buy crap and screw over people and shops. That value lost now comes ontop of the pricew and screws people that show good behaviour so as always the good pay for the leeches of society. Sometimes even twice...
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I think there need to be a 10-20% value penalty for asshats that buy crap and then return what they dont want after trying. It costs shops money or screwed people with used products and for example key codes that wont work. its unacceptabel and used or shipped out products should not be able to be returned for free without a defect Add some personal responsibility and research before you buy crap and screw over people and shops. That value lost now comes ontop of the pricew and screws people that show good behaviour so as always the good pay for the leeches of society. Sometimes even twice...
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Ben
Nvidia handled this absolutely horrendously, I'm in absolutely no disagreement about that. However, I do believe the point they were trying to make is somewhat valid. HWU/Steve is quick to dismiss Nvidia's strong RT performance and DLSS and labels them as 'questionable features' whilst claiming AMD's SAM is the best thing since sliced bread. As said, they don't necessarily lack for testing on DLSS and RT but perhaps they don't give it the due focus and analysis it deserves and the conclusions drawn seem to be more their own unjustified opinion rather than based on the data presented.
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Nvidia handled this absolutely horrendously, I'm in absolutely no disagreement about that. However, I do believe the point they were trying to make is somewhat valid. HWU/Steve is quick to dismiss Nvidia's strong RT performance and DLSS and labels them as 'questionable features' whilst claiming AMD's SAM is the best thing since sliced bread. As said, they don't necessarily lack for testing on DLSS and RT but perhaps they don't give it the due focus and analysis it deserves and the conclusions drawn seem to be more their own unjustified opinion rather than based on the data presented.
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Orian
I find it very off-putting when companies over-utilize such a blunt PR avalanche.
Hey NVIDIA, what about the GPU shortage -- YES GOOD QUESTION. IT'S ALWAYS AN EXCITING TIME WHEN WE REVOLUTIONIZE... -- Yeah OK we get it, we even agree! Your new card is really nice, but is the current stock shortage related to the pandemic, or fab issues, or other factors? -- EXCELLENT QUESTION. DEMAND FOR OUR PRODUCTS IS HIGH BECAUSE RAYTRACING PERFORMANCE! REVOLUTION! -- Uh NVIDIA, can you please keep your underpants on while we're having a conversation?
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I find it very off-putting when companies over-utilize such a blunt PR avalanche.
Hey NVIDIA, what about the GPU shortage -- YES GOOD QUESTION. IT'S ALWAYS AN EXCITING TIME WHEN WE REVOLUTIONIZE... -- Yeah OK we get it, we even agree! Your new card is really nice, but is the current stock shortage related to the pandemic, or fab issues, or other factors? -- EXCELLENT QUESTION. DEMAND FOR OUR PRODUCTS IS HIGH BECAUSE RAYTRACING PERFORMANCE! REVOLUTION! -- Uh NVIDIA, can you please keep your underpants on while we're having a conversation?
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Philipp
: They quality of their engineering aside(which is great), that company is so full of shit and out of touch! How can you as a PR manager write stuff like that and not see the consequences? I was considering buying a 3060ti because I was so happy with my 1050ti but now I WILL buy AMD, for sure! I hope they sack Bryan del Rizzo because something went really wrong with his understanding of his job at some point and he no longer knows how to do it properly... FU Nvidia(not the engineers).
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: They quality of their engineering aside(which is great), that company is so full of shit and out of touch! How can you as a PR manager write stuff like that and not see the consequences? I was considering buying a 3060ti because I was so happy with my 1050ti but now I WILL buy AMD, for sure! I hope they sack Bryan del Rizzo because something went really wrong with his understanding of his job at some point and he no longer knows how to do it properly... FU Nvidia(not the engineers).
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David
The argument that reviewers don't work hard enough needs some evidence from Nvidia, otherwise it is just an accusation. If they said Your video about the RTX 3090 is just 15 minutes long and took you maybe 5 hours to make and doesn't highlight the features enough. That is not enough content and man-hours put in for us to warrant giving you a free 1500 card. I could understand it, but the wording on Nvidia's side was just plain weird and made no sense.
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The argument that reviewers don't work hard enough needs some evidence from Nvidia, otherwise it is just an accusation. If they said Your video about the RTX 3090 is just 15 minutes long and took you maybe 5 hours to make and doesn't highlight the features enough. That is not enough content and man-hours put in for us to warrant giving you a free 1500 card. I could understand it, but the wording on Nvidia's side was just plain weird and made no sense.
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