The 850 Micro-ATX Pre-Built Gaming PC: PowerSpec G513 Review & Benchmarks
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Date: 2023-08-09
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Tim
You keep claiming no shipping but I'm not sure how, exactly, you think the computers get to the stores.
Are they walked to the store or is some sort of warp gate involved?
13:30: It's a universal problem because you're describing AMD's default boost behavior.
It's not the intended behavior .... it literally is and has been since Ryzen 3000 per AMD's statements on PBO and automatic overclocking.
It's just using precision boost to clock as high as possible as much of the time as possible.
That cooler is what was shipped with the 5600X . MC paired exactly the cooler intended for the CPU.
It's not hitting spec . [It's exceeding spec based on information later in the video.]
15:00: there is no other 5600X on the chart to compare it against.
It's slightly outperforming the 5600 on the chart which is exactly how it's supposed to perform.
15:10: They still manage to get it to overheat. It's literally not overheating if it's performing within the design speciation.
15:55: so... how much faster did it go with the other cooler? Did it perform no better except for being arbitrarily-cooler for no actual benefit?
(Components do not fail due to their temperature. They fail due to thermal cycling [not absolute temperature] or too much amperage, heat is the byproduct.)
16:55: It doesn't help when outlets such as yourself spread FUD around how CPUs are designed to function.
17:30: hits product spec, that's all we want. It's not a high bar
17:43: Only able to maintain... [350MHz HIGHER , MORE , BETTER THAN SPEC of 3.7GHz].... that is way lower than we expect from this CPU.
18:00: compares it to 5600X under 159 liquid cooler in original review. Is slower. Whines.
19:24: no mention about what the GPU frequencies were for each configuration? Was it hitting Nvidia spec? Are you unfamiliar with how GPU Boost works?
24:00: Windows has updated Nvidia drivers since Windows 8.1 and it's BEYOND a non-issue to even the most computer-illiterate person who will get the drivers within a couple of restarts.
24:20 Neutral to positive if not for our ignorance to how PBO, GPU Boost, CPU specs, Zen 3, opportunistic boosting, and the simple fact that driving your fans at 100% will lower temperatures.
25:45 So few of them pass it because you're requesting a profit-driven company to meet your arbitrary requirements for going way beyond spec in both frequency and cooling requirement.
27:45 You should recommend something else. [I'd recommend another reviewer.]
You state that the PSU having obfuscated cooling will lead to overheating but fail to report the temperature of the PSU and its design spec for operations.
Is this comment simply based on... your emotions? Outrage drawing clicks? Both?
You somehow(?) fail to recognize that screwing or clipping a stock cooler to the backplate takes seconds vs the 5-10 minutes it takes to mess around with whatever nonsense mounting mechanism an aftermarket cooler requires. Also, again it's performing within spec.
Serious question: why do you think some Zen CPUs have a T-junction of 85c, 89c 90c, 95c, 100c, and 105c?
Do you think that they just like pick numbers out of a hat? Or do you think there's an engineering reason for it?
Hint: (IT'S THE LATTER).
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You keep claiming no shipping but I'm not sure how, exactly, you think the computers get to the stores.
Are they walked to the store or is some sort of warp gate involved?
13:30: It's a universal problem because you're describing AMD's default boost behavior.
It's not the intended behavior .... it literally is and has been since Ryzen 3000 per AMD's statements on PBO and automatic overclocking.
It's just using precision boost to clock as high as possible as much of the time as possible.
That cooler is what was shipped with the 5600X . MC paired exactly the cooler intended for the CPU.
It's not hitting spec . [It's exceeding spec based on information later in the video.]
15:00: there is no other 5600X on the chart to compare it against.
It's slightly outperforming the 5600 on the chart which is exactly how it's supposed to perform.
15:10: They still manage to get it to overheat. It's literally not overheating if it's performing within the design speciation.
15:55: so... how much faster did it go with the other cooler? Did it perform no better except for being arbitrarily-cooler for no actual benefit?
(Components do not fail due to their temperature. They fail due to thermal cycling [not absolute temperature] or too much amperage, heat is the byproduct.)
16:55: It doesn't help when outlets such as yourself spread FUD around how CPUs are designed to function.
17:30: hits product spec, that's all we want. It's not a high bar
17:43: Only able to maintain... [350MHz HIGHER , MORE , BETTER THAN SPEC of 3.7GHz].... that is way lower than we expect from this CPU.
18:00: compares it to 5600X under 159 liquid cooler in original review. Is slower. Whines.
19:24: no mention about what the GPU frequencies were for each configuration? Was it hitting Nvidia spec? Are you unfamiliar with how GPU Boost works?
24:00: Windows has updated Nvidia drivers since Windows 8.1 and it's BEYOND a non-issue to even the most computer-illiterate person who will get the drivers within a couple of restarts.
24:20 Neutral to positive if not for our ignorance to how PBO, GPU Boost, CPU specs, Zen 3, opportunistic boosting, and the simple fact that driving your fans at 100% will lower temperatures.
25:45 So few of them pass it because you're requesting a profit-driven company to meet your arbitrary requirements for going way beyond spec in both frequency and cooling requirement.
27:45 You should recommend something else. [I'd recommend another reviewer.]
You state that the PSU having obfuscated cooling will lead to overheating but fail to report the temperature of the PSU and its design spec for operations.
Is this comment simply based on... your emotions? Outrage drawing clicks? Both?
You somehow(?) fail to recognize that screwing or clipping a stock cooler to the backplate takes seconds vs the 5-10 minutes it takes to mess around with whatever nonsense mounting mechanism an aftermarket cooler requires. Also, again it's performing within spec.
Serious question: why do you think some Zen CPUs have a T-junction of 85c, 89c 90c, 95c, 100c, and 105c?
Do you think that they just like pick numbers out of a hat? Or do you think there's an engineering reason for it?
Hint: (IT'S THE LATTER).
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mjc0961
This is an insanely bad prebuilt considering that the store was 5 hours away. I would be insanely pissed if I drove 5 hours to get to a Microcenter, bought this PC, drove 5 hours again to get home, and got this computer running only for it to be thermal throttling.
That's pretty much the entire day shot. Maybe you can grab a nice lunch near the Microcenter, maybe find a small touristy thing to do, and then it's back in the car. Or you spend even more time on it getting a hotel nearby to get a night's sleep before driving home. And what you have for that time investment is a defective computer?!
What's my recourse as a customer at this point? I have to repeat the road trip to return it, exchange it, or have it repaired? Do I decide that the time investment isn't worth it a second time and just order a new CPU cooler online? And then I hope I know how to install it myself or have a buddy who knows how (remember that a lot of the target market for prebuilts are people who don't know how to build a PC, and definitely don't have an inventory full of coolers to play with)?
This is insanely bad given Microcenter's retail only presence with so few stores available. They need to step up their testing considerably and make sure that nobody who drives 5 hours to get to their store and drives 5 hours again to get back home is getting a computer that thermal throttles. Nobody should be selling thermal throttling computers, but at least Dell/Alienware will ship a thermal throttling computer to me so I don't have to waste an entire day in a car to get it. Shame on you, Microcenter.
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This is an insanely bad prebuilt considering that the store was 5 hours away. I would be insanely pissed if I drove 5 hours to get to a Microcenter, bought this PC, drove 5 hours again to get home, and got this computer running only for it to be thermal throttling.
That's pretty much the entire day shot. Maybe you can grab a nice lunch near the Microcenter, maybe find a small touristy thing to do, and then it's back in the car. Or you spend even more time on it getting a hotel nearby to get a night's sleep before driving home. And what you have for that time investment is a defective computer?!
What's my recourse as a customer at this point? I have to repeat the road trip to return it, exchange it, or have it repaired? Do I decide that the time investment isn't worth it a second time and just order a new CPU cooler online? And then I hope I know how to install it myself or have a buddy who knows how (remember that a lot of the target market for prebuilts are people who don't know how to build a PC, and definitely don't have an inventory full of coolers to play with)?
This is insanely bad given Microcenter's retail only presence with so few stores available. They need to step up their testing considerably and make sure that nobody who drives 5 hours to get to their store and drives 5 hours again to get back home is getting a computer that thermal throttles. Nobody should be selling thermal throttling computers, but at least Dell/Alienware will ship a thermal throttling computer to me so I don't have to waste an entire day in a car to get it. Shame on you, Microcenter.
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wormspeaker
So, what I'm hearing is that there is more or less no markup for the assembly over the cheapest retailer for the parts, you get a machine with a well balanced part selection that you don't have to worry whether or not the thing will boot after you're finished assembling it, but you lose 8% of the maximum CPU performance under a sustained productivity workload... I don't know... seems reasonable to me. Better than my experiences with Dell, Alienware, HP, and iBuyPower where the assembly markup is either ridiculously high or the parts selection is whatever sharp pieces of metal they could get the cheapest.
For your average gamer who's in the market for a sub-thousand dollar PC, the games they are going to be playing are going to be GPU bound in this setup anyway. I don't feel like they're going to run up against the 8% CPU deficit under your average gaming workload in this configuration. I mean, sure they could do better and a tower cooler would be an easy fix, but if I was asked to recommend a cheapish gaming PC for a relative (especially if they lived within reasonable driving range of a Microcenter to get in person support) I wouldn't have any problems recommending this one. (Because I sure as hell don't build PCs for family anymore. My uncle still calls me two decades later for tech support.) And if some day the owner of the system were to want to upgrade the GPU, (which would put more pressure on the CPU to keep up) then you could replace the cooler at that time.
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So, what I'm hearing is that there is more or less no markup for the assembly over the cheapest retailer for the parts, you get a machine with a well balanced part selection that you don't have to worry whether or not the thing will boot after you're finished assembling it, but you lose 8% of the maximum CPU performance under a sustained productivity workload... I don't know... seems reasonable to me. Better than my experiences with Dell, Alienware, HP, and iBuyPower where the assembly markup is either ridiculously high or the parts selection is whatever sharp pieces of metal they could get the cheapest.
For your average gamer who's in the market for a sub-thousand dollar PC, the games they are going to be playing are going to be GPU bound in this setup anyway. I don't feel like they're going to run up against the 8% CPU deficit under your average gaming workload in this configuration. I mean, sure they could do better and a tower cooler would be an easy fix, but if I was asked to recommend a cheapish gaming PC for a relative (especially if they lived within reasonable driving range of a Microcenter to get in person support) I wouldn't have any problems recommending this one. (Because I sure as hell don't build PCs for family anymore. My uncle still calls me two decades later for tech support.) And if some day the owner of the system were to want to upgrade the GPU, (which would put more pressure on the CPU to keep up) then you could replace the cooler at that time.
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Peter
Hi Steve, I'm interested in an analysis of this particular microatx case. As others in the comment section have pointed out, this is a variant of the Popular SAMA IM01 , though this particular rebrand is called the Lian Li Lancool 185m , and can be bought in-store. At least that's where I bought it from. For my unit, the Lian Li sticker on the front came off pretty easily, so its not surprising that the PowerSpec logo fell off. The case itself is interesting due to it being one of the cheapest cases that supports a full MATX motherboard, 155mm CPU Cooler, and 335mm GPU under 22L that you can easily buy in western markets. Its a true NR200P Competitor, but not really talked about much at all despite its apparent popularity. An analysis of airflow and air vs. watercooling would be interesting to look at. Especially the effects of the perforated vs. Tempered glass side panel, and the blocked off front.
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Hi Steve, I'm interested in an analysis of this particular microatx case. As others in the comment section have pointed out, this is a variant of the Popular SAMA IM01 , though this particular rebrand is called the Lian Li Lancool 185m , and can be bought in-store. At least that's where I bought it from. For my unit, the Lian Li sticker on the front came off pretty easily, so its not surprising that the PowerSpec logo fell off. The case itself is interesting due to it being one of the cheapest cases that supports a full MATX motherboard, 155mm CPU Cooler, and 335mm GPU under 22L that you can easily buy in western markets. Its a true NR200P Competitor, but not really talked about much at all despite its apparent popularity. An analysis of airflow and air vs. watercooling would be interesting to look at. Especially the effects of the perforated vs. Tempered glass side panel, and the blocked off front.
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Sean
At this point i almost want to place the blame on Intel and AMD for this. Their stock coolers are intentionally inadequate and rely heavily on being used in a case with very good airflow in order for them to work properly. If they either didn't include a stock cooler at all, or included good stock coolers, then this sort of thing wouldn't happen. I still remember when 1st gen Ryzen came out and they were bragging about how they will have good stock coolers for their CPU's, a dig at Intel who was notorious for bad stock coolers for decades. It's sad to see AMD fall down on that over time. Honestly i'd prefer they just didn't include stock coolers at all, it's obvious they don't care about making them good. At least if they didn't include one at all, then you'd have to buy something to put on it, and there are some really great 20 budget options out there.
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At this point i almost want to place the blame on Intel and AMD for this. Their stock coolers are intentionally inadequate and rely heavily on being used in a case with very good airflow in order for them to work properly. If they either didn't include a stock cooler at all, or included good stock coolers, then this sort of thing wouldn't happen. I still remember when 1st gen Ryzen came out and they were bragging about how they will have good stock coolers for their CPU's, a dig at Intel who was notorious for bad stock coolers for decades. It's sad to see AMD fall down on that over time. Honestly i'd prefer they just didn't include stock coolers at all, it's obvious they don't care about making them good. At least if they didn't include one at all, then you'd have to buy something to put on it, and there are some really great 20 budget options out there.
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wine
If you are buying a pre-built with a 5600x/12600k and a xx60/600 class card, you may as well just save money while getting more performance and go used.
I know people love to hate on used parts for whatever reason, but man is it worth it.
To give you an idea of what you could build if you go used (I just did this for my GF):
5800x - 150
6600xt - 162
Arctic Freezer ii 280 - 75 (was a return, still had peel on block)
Rm750e (2023) - 62
Corsair 4000D airflow - 30
MSI x570 ace - 120
Sabrent rocket gen 4 (non-plus) 1TB - 30
4x8gb ddr4 3600 - 50
Keyboard, mouse and monitor I had (monitor just an old 24 1080p 120hz)
Thats 679. You could use the leftovers for a better gpu and a monitor and still be less than this with better performance and better cooling.
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If you are buying a pre-built with a 5600x/12600k and a xx60/600 class card, you may as well just save money while getting more performance and go used.
I know people love to hate on used parts for whatever reason, but man is it worth it.
To give you an idea of what you could build if you go used (I just did this for my GF):
5800x - 150
6600xt - 162
Arctic Freezer ii 280 - 75 (was a return, still had peel on block)
Rm750e (2023) - 62
Corsair 4000D airflow - 30
MSI x570 ace - 120
Sabrent rocket gen 4 (non-plus) 1TB - 30
4x8gb ddr4 3600 - 50
Keyboard, mouse and monitor I had (monitor just an old 24 1080p 120hz)
Thats 679. You could use the leftovers for a better gpu and a monitor and still be less than this with better performance and better cooling.
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Paulo
Wow really?? you guys didn't like the case? yeah this review is not about the case itself its about the prebuild and yes the parts chosen were the worst scenario but i think you guys need to have another look/chance to the case.
The sama mentioned in the video with both metal sided and without the dust filter should give better thermals to the test also you can use an watercooler on the side of the case. Well the case is not perfect but for a lot of people that want a SFF and dont want to spend a lot of money in itx parts i think its a good choice.
Isn't obvious that an glass panel in a small case like that wans't going to be good for thermals? The conclusion of the review is accurate but i think you guys should give another chance to the case.
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Wow really?? you guys didn't like the case? yeah this review is not about the case itself its about the prebuild and yes the parts chosen were the worst scenario but i think you guys need to have another look/chance to the case.
The sama mentioned in the video with both metal sided and without the dust filter should give better thermals to the test also you can use an watercooler on the side of the case. Well the case is not perfect but for a lot of people that want a SFF and dont want to spend a lot of money in itx parts i think its a good choice.
Isn't obvious that an glass panel in a small case like that wans't going to be good for thermals? The conclusion of the review is accurate but i think you guys should give another chance to the case.
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Ciuy
What a horrible ITX PC, cheap specs.
These PCs with old nVidias make no sense, especially if it is ITX. I would focus on lower thermal parts that don t use up 300W alone; like 6700 xt which is better tbh.
Managed to get a rx6800, i5 13400f, ddr5 32gb CL32 and 2TB ssd on a mini-ITX Asus mobo + noctua CPU/2 side fans on a Streacom open air case /850W CM, with custom Ray psu cables, for 1400. It destroys anything at 2K, can venture in the 4K field if needed.
And you can get Windows for 20 on many websites.
If i skipped the ITX premium paid it would get to 1k, using state of the art parts mostly, no recycling old hot stuff. People & companies really don t know how to pick the right parts, let alone expect them to comprehend common itx issues.
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What a horrible ITX PC, cheap specs.
These PCs with old nVidias make no sense, especially if it is ITX. I would focus on lower thermal parts that don t use up 300W alone; like 6700 xt which is better tbh.
Managed to get a rx6800, i5 13400f, ddr5 32gb CL32 and 2TB ssd on a mini-ITX Asus mobo + noctua CPU/2 side fans on a Streacom open air case /850W CM, with custom Ray psu cables, for 1400. It destroys anything at 2K, can venture in the 4K field if needed.
And you can get Windows for 20 on many websites.
If i skipped the ITX premium paid it would get to 1k, using state of the art parts mostly, no recycling old hot stuff. People & companies really don t know how to pick the right parts, let alone expect them to comprehend common itx issues.
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Joreel
How do you misspell your own name on your product??? That's both funny and sad lol
Micro ATX systems are nice, but from what I've seen many times, they can have some serious heat issues if you're not careful.
I bought a pre built from CyberPower and when I went to PC parts picker it was only 85 higher to have them build it for me so I went that route because all the parts warranties are consolidated to one place and honestly the slight increase in price to not spend 4-5 hours doing it myself was worth it. It's been a great system for the past year and I'm glad I bought it that way. My next build will probably be done myself, but a year ago I was too busy to do it myself.
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How do you misspell your own name on your product??? That's both funny and sad lol
Micro ATX systems are nice, but from what I've seen many times, they can have some serious heat issues if you're not careful.
I bought a pre built from CyberPower and when I went to PC parts picker it was only 85 higher to have them build it for me so I went that route because all the parts warranties are consolidated to one place and honestly the slight increase in price to not spend 4-5 hours doing it myself was worth it. It's been a great system for the past year and I'm glad I bought it that way. My next build will probably be done myself, but a year ago I was too busy to do it myself.
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Cris
Been asking for you guys to review PowerSpec prebuilt for a while. Much better than 99% of the stuff on the market in the prebuilt department. Dont end up with Factory ram nonsense, singe stick, ect. They are built by enthusiasts who work for the store, and yes by using back stock from the store. With this you end up with a better product, Because Every thing IN your build will be off the shelf DIY parts. ITs perfect for someone too scared to build one themselves but want to learn.. You can also pick your parts and have the powerspec people at microcenter assemble Your own rig, for a small fee. This is often done while you wait and walk the store.
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Been asking for you guys to review PowerSpec prebuilt for a while. Much better than 99% of the stuff on the market in the prebuilt department. Dont end up with Factory ram nonsense, singe stick, ect. They are built by enthusiasts who work for the store, and yes by using back stock from the store. With this you end up with a better product, Because Every thing IN your build will be off the shelf DIY parts. ITs perfect for someone too scared to build one themselves but want to learn.. You can also pick your parts and have the powerspec people at microcenter assemble Your own rig, for a small fee. This is often done while you wait and walk the store.
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mahatmagandhiful
Maybe they discuss this later in the video, but did they try just replacing the thermal paste application on the stock cooler? I ask because the Stealth is included with a ton of low-, 65-watt CPUs and in almost every review, build video, Reddit commentary, Tweet, etc. I've seen, it's been sufficient for that use. Not stellar, but good enough to get one by if need be. (To the point that AMD stopped including its bigger brother, the Spire, in most cases.) So it seems strange that it would perform so poorly here. And then I noticed the anemic thermal paste application.
Perhaps the poor airflow also contributed to temps, I dunno.
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Maybe they discuss this later in the video, but did they try just replacing the thermal paste application on the stock cooler? I ask because the Stealth is included with a ton of low-, 65-watt CPUs and in almost every review, build video, Reddit commentary, Tweet, etc. I've seen, it's been sufficient for that use. Not stellar, but good enough to get one by if need be. (To the point that AMD stopped including its bigger brother, the Spire, in most cases.) So it seems strange that it would perform so poorly here. And then I noticed the anemic thermal paste application.
Perhaps the poor airflow also contributed to temps, I dunno.
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Gdjay
I think you didn't even have to replace the CPU cooler, just reverse the rear exhaust fan to intake, and move one of the bottom fan into the top and opient it so that it blow air to the top. Another thing to do is keep the rear exhaust orientation as exhaust, and move one of the bottom fan but orient it so that it blows air in (Intake). If the top fan is not good enough, replace it with a high static pressure fan still intake orientation, and keep the fan in the bottom. I think this was the easiest way. Taking it a step further, still replace the CPU cooler with a tower in addition to my suggestions above.
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I think you didn't even have to replace the CPU cooler, just reverse the rear exhaust fan to intake, and move one of the bottom fan into the top and opient it so that it blow air to the top. Another thing to do is keep the rear exhaust orientation as exhaust, and move one of the bottom fan but orient it so that it blows air in (Intake). If the top fan is not good enough, replace it with a high static pressure fan still intake orientation, and keep the fan in the bottom. I think this was the easiest way. Taking it a step further, still replace the CPU cooler with a tower in addition to my suggestions above.
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diegoaccord
I got into gaming PC via powerspec. Went to microcenter to build a PC but they had a particular model on sale 3700X and 2070 Super 16Gb x570 aio cooler 1tb nvme for like 1200 in 2019 when that was the newest gen. Could not built that for that price. Original price was 1700 which was more of what you'd expect for prebuilt mark-up but even searching reddit at the time, ton of people seemed to be buying that PC because the 1200 deal was so good.
Of course sense then I've built a new PC each gen with my 7700X 4090 box right now. Helps that microcenter is 20 minutes away. Lol.
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I got into gaming PC via powerspec. Went to microcenter to build a PC but they had a particular model on sale 3700X and 2070 Super 16Gb x570 aio cooler 1tb nvme for like 1200 in 2019 when that was the newest gen. Could not built that for that price. Original price was 1700 which was more of what you'd expect for prebuilt mark-up but even searching reddit at the time, ton of people seemed to be buying that PC because the 1200 deal was so good.
Of course sense then I've built a new PC each gen with my 7700X 4090 box right now. Helps that microcenter is 20 minutes away. Lol.
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alex
Maybe the logo is not missing a P ... But its the powerspec oVerspec... Come up by, or perhaps spelling corrected by a non-native english speaker who's native language pronounces W as a V...
I do like the size of this system, I'm not particularily fond of large or mid cases. But as far as thermals, probably like most prebuilts, the bean counters are looking at each component on its own ie AMD included cooler. which is just fine in a well vented case, but stick it in there it falls on its face. Rinse and repeat for everything else while ignoring what goes on in the final setup.
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Maybe the logo is not missing a P ... But its the powerspec oVerspec... Come up by, or perhaps spelling corrected by a non-native english speaker who's native language pronounces W as a V...
I do like the size of this system, I'm not particularily fond of large or mid cases. But as far as thermals, probably like most prebuilts, the bean counters are looking at each component on its own ie AMD included cooler. which is just fine in a well vented case, but stick it in there it falls on its face. Rinse and repeat for everything else while ignoring what goes on in the final setup.
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Allen
I like that this is a good launching pad for new people that aren't into building their next computer from scratch - a good way to point out what to look for with pre-builds. And like you had said, if someone wants to spend a few minutes to replace the CPU cooler and maybe add a few extra fans to the top case for more air intake, this is a good way to point out ways to fix an otherwise good purchase for those that wants to get into a little tinkering for a not so expensive unit. This minor issue isn't bad compared to other pre-builts reviewed. Looking at you Dell.
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I like that this is a good launching pad for new people that aren't into building their next computer from scratch - a good way to point out what to look for with pre-builds. And like you had said, if someone wants to spend a few minutes to replace the CPU cooler and maybe add a few extra fans to the top case for more air intake, this is a good way to point out ways to fix an otherwise good purchase for those that wants to get into a little tinkering for a not so expensive unit. This minor issue isn't bad compared to other pre-builts reviewed. Looking at you Dell.
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Valfaun
mATX is my favorite form factor. it's reasonably compact, but not as crammed as mITX builds tend to be and you also don't really have to make compromises on the feature list compared to ATX. not necessarily , at least. but unfortunately the majority of mATX motherboards are bargain bin choices with the remainder settling for solid, but nothing special. if you wanted to treat yourself to a high-end mATX board, well, you can't, there usually are none with rare exceptions like ASUS' ROG Crosshair X670E Gene on AM5
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mATX is my favorite form factor. it's reasonably compact, but not as crammed as mITX builds tend to be and you also don't really have to make compromises on the feature list compared to ATX. not necessarily , at least. but unfortunately the majority of mATX motherboards are bargain bin choices with the remainder settling for solid, but nothing special. if you wanted to treat yourself to a high-end mATX board, well, you can't, there usually are none with rare exceptions like ASUS' ROG Crosshair X670E Gene on AM5
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Vens
There are a few mATX cases with similar setup and they all have the same problem - even though those cases are designed around that unique placement of PSU, there is no optimal exhaust for PSU in any of them I have seen so far. Baffling. With decent gold-platinum PSU shouldn't be a huge issue, but still kind of weird since it's designed that way.
The CPU cooler issue just a general underperformance in a suboptimal airflow. Well, now they know how to fix this. Insert Thank you, Steve here.
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There are a few mATX cases with similar setup and they all have the same problem - even though those cases are designed around that unique placement of PSU, there is no optimal exhaust for PSU in any of them I have seen so far. Baffling. With decent gold-platinum PSU shouldn't be a huge issue, but still kind of weird since it's designed that way.
The CPU cooler issue just a general underperformance in a suboptimal airflow. Well, now they know how to fix this. Insert Thank you, Steve here.
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catch2030
If shopping for a prebuilt at Microcenter today (this video was probably made not long after the 5600X3D launch so probably didn t have the prebuilts out yet), is the PowerSpec G516. It s only 700. For that you get a 5600X3D, 6650 XT, 16GB of RAM and only a 500GB NVME (pretty cheap to add more SSD storage right now however) Its in a Lian Li 205M Mesh which should have decent thermals and they are using the Wraith Prism stock cooler. I would assume it s using the same 650W PSU as well.
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If shopping for a prebuilt at Microcenter today (this video was probably made not long after the 5600X3D launch so probably didn t have the prebuilts out yet), is the PowerSpec G516. It s only 700. For that you get a 5600X3D, 6650 XT, 16GB of RAM and only a 500GB NVME (pretty cheap to add more SSD storage right now however) Its in a Lian Li 205M Mesh which should have decent thermals and they are using the Wraith Prism stock cooler. I would assume it s using the same 650W PSU as well.
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zamb0nio
the Powerspec G513 ( 850) is a ripoff compared to the Powerspec G516 ( 700). The G513 has weaker parts and smaller case with an awful layout. I'll also bring up that stock AMD cpu cooler. The G516 uses a 5600x3d instead of 5600x, uses RX 6650XT instead of RTX 3060, though the SSD is 500GB instead of 1TB; the cpu cooler is better using AMD's Wraith Prism cooler. It's definitely worth checking the Powerspec G516 considering it uses better parts and COSTS LESS MONEY.
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the Powerspec G513 ( 850) is a ripoff compared to the Powerspec G516 ( 700). The G513 has weaker parts and smaller case with an awful layout. I'll also bring up that stock AMD cpu cooler. The G516 uses a 5600x3d instead of 5600x, uses RX 6650XT instead of RTX 3060, though the SSD is 500GB instead of 1TB; the cpu cooler is better using AMD's Wraith Prism cooler. It's definitely worth checking the Powerspec G516 considering it uses better parts and COSTS LESS MONEY.
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