AMD Responds to Intel: Ryzen 7 9800X3D Price, Specs, & Major Changes
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Date: 2024-11-01
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SebastianWeiss-c8d
I expected it to be a temperature problem, why overclocking was a no-go. Didn't expect the cores being the issue and being basically isolated.
I really like AMD for this Information.
Discover a problem -> fix problem over x amount of time -> release detailed information about what the issue was and that they fixed it -> Profit.
While it's nice, that the 9800x3D gets a higher base and boost clock, in my opinion, the design changes and enabling overclockability would already have been more than enough to justify its existence.
Who would have known that AMD comes out of no where and becomes gaming leader. Even when I swapped my FX 6100 for a r5 2600, which was an incredible, incredible upgrade, I never imagined Ryzen to get this far. To be this good and kick Intel so hard.
Now we gotta wait for Intel to make the big background work and transformation and come back with something mind blowing.
Yes I like AMD, but that doesn't mean I hate Intel. We need them both for a healthy competition, so we as Users can profit from it, hehe.
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I expected it to be a temperature problem, why overclocking was a no-go. Didn't expect the cores being the issue and being basically isolated.
I really like AMD for this Information.
Discover a problem -> fix problem over x amount of time -> release detailed information about what the issue was and that they fixed it -> Profit.
While it's nice, that the 9800x3D gets a higher base and boost clock, in my opinion, the design changes and enabling overclockability would already have been more than enough to justify its existence.
Who would have known that AMD comes out of no where and becomes gaming leader. Even when I swapped my FX 6100 for a r5 2600, which was an incredible, incredible upgrade, I never imagined Ryzen to get this far. To be this good and kick Intel so hard.
Now we gotta wait for Intel to make the big background work and transformation and come back with something mind blowing.
Yes I like AMD, but that doesn't mean I hate Intel. We need them both for a healthy competition, so we as Users can profit from it, hehe.
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siberx4
An extra 200MHz on a 5GHz part. About 4%, and probably at a terrible power penalty.
Ugh, (regular everyday) overclocking got so _boring_ once manufacturers figured out how to accurately bin and dynamically adjust their processors to use up all the headroom. Up until the mid-2010s you could often get 20%-50% overclocks with ambient cooling if you bought the right part - big enough differences that they'd be directly noticeable in applications and games. Extreme overclocking is a different story of course, and there's still plenty of fun to be had there today if that's your jam.
Still, this does look like an interesting part and it sounds like moving the cache under the cores is a great optimization. Should be an excellent gaming chip!
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An extra 200MHz on a 5GHz part. About 4%, and probably at a terrible power penalty.
Ugh, (regular everyday) overclocking got so _boring_ once manufacturers figured out how to accurately bin and dynamically adjust their processors to use up all the headroom. Up until the mid-2010s you could often get 20%-50% overclocks with ambient cooling if you bought the right part - big enough differences that they'd be directly noticeable in applications and games. Extreme overclocking is a different story of course, and there's still plenty of fun to be had there today if that's your jam.
Still, this does look like an interesting part and it sounds like moving the cache under the cores is a great optimization. Should be an excellent gaming chip!
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gerakore8948
somehow my 10900k is still relevant 5 years later. passed on the 285k. don't really need to update but i never do. i might go for the 9950x3d esp with the cache below the processor. but to be honest i could keep this thing for a few more years till there is something tempting to buy. i do have a 7950x3d for gaming but that is usually first person gamepad games. the 10900k/3080 ti system has no problems with competitive keyboard/mouse gaming at 4k / 144hz. i literally have no reason to upgrade anything.
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somehow my 10900k is still relevant 5 years later. passed on the 285k. don't really need to update but i never do. i might go for the 9950x3d esp with the cache below the processor. but to be honest i could keep this thing for a few more years till there is something tempting to buy. i do have a 7950x3d for gaming but that is usually first person gamepad games. the 10900k/3080 ti system has no problems with competitive keyboard/mouse gaming at 4k / 144hz. i literally have no reason to upgrade anything.
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marklamutt
Honestly, much more excited about the launch of your new tabletop gaming product than the CPUs from either company. I did enjoy and appreciate the tech talk with the AMD gents though in this video! Love that information! But until my 5800X3D starts impacting what I do with my gaming PC, I see no reason to upgrade honestly. Shiny, new parts are cool, and I'll be interested in seeing the comparisons with the new AMD CPUs, but I don't have a need for them yet.
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Honestly, much more excited about the launch of your new tabletop gaming product than the CPUs from either company. I did enjoy and appreciate the tech talk with the AMD gents though in this video! Love that information! But until my 5800X3D starts impacting what I do with my gaming PC, I see no reason to upgrade honestly. Shiny, new parts are cool, and I'll be interested in seeing the comparisons with the new AMD CPUs, but I don't have a need for them yet.
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Bloodysugar
Can't wait to see what scenarios can bottleneck this pup, cause if an 8% uplift may seem disappointing, it's with actual games and GPUs, and it may make even more of a difference within a couple of years with next gen GPUs.
And above all I'm looking forward to know about its 1 and 0.1% lows compared to a properly tweaked 9950X. Like most I can be pretty happy with a maximum of 120FPS, but I wish the high/low ratio would be way smaller and more stable.
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Can't wait to see what scenarios can bottleneck this pup, cause if an 8% uplift may seem disappointing, it's with actual games and GPUs, and it may make even more of a difference within a couple of years with next gen GPUs.
And above all I'm looking forward to know about its 1 and 0.1% lows compared to a properly tweaked 9950X. Like most I can be pretty happy with a maximum of 120FPS, but I wish the high/low ratio would be way smaller and more stable.
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aarondanforth2232
How long before a Desktop CPU with an NPU , that can run the new Verbal Copilot A CPU must have an NPU with 45 TOPS. When will the 1st PC Game with Verbal Talking Characters Be Made that use the NPU A Game with Verbal Response Characters might be Expensive to make & take up more Memory. Imagine how large a Grand Theft Auto 8 would be, that let's you verbally talk to people in the City with different verbal responses., 300 GB Size
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How long before a Desktop CPU with an NPU , that can run the new Verbal Copilot A CPU must have an NPU with 45 TOPS. When will the 1st PC Game with Verbal Talking Characters Be Made that use the NPU A Game with Verbal Response Characters might be Expensive to make & take up more Memory. Imagine how large a Grand Theft Auto 8 would be, that let's you verbally talk to people in the City with different verbal responses., 300 GB Size
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joeykeilholz925
I don't even care I just want 7800x3d prices to return to where they were for months. Price going up two years after launch DRAMATICALLY is disgusting. $450 cpu board and 32 GB ram at micro center. Now it's like what, $150 more Just lame. At least Nvidia is consistent with its scalping. A new product is really shit if it raises the prices for the old one, eh So I just don't like zen 5 or amd's obnoxious reactive anti-consumer strategy
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I don't even care I just want 7800x3d prices to return to where they were for months. Price going up two years after launch DRAMATICALLY is disgusting. $450 cpu board and 32 GB ram at micro center. Now it's like what, $150 more Just lame. At least Nvidia is consistent with its scalping. A new product is really shit if it raises the prices for the old one, eh So I just don't like zen 5 or amd's obnoxious reactive anti-consumer strategy
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lifson22
It's really seems like the price vs performance will not match the price that I saw the 7800x3d regularly at for the last 6 or 7 months which was around 349, until it started selling out of course. Feeling like I could have gotten 92% of the gaming performance for 73% of the price doesn't make me want to run out and buy this. Hopefully the 8% gaming performance gains are not accurate.
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It's really seems like the price vs performance will not match the price that I saw the 7800x3d regularly at for the last 6 or 7 months which was around 349, until it started selling out of course. Feeling like I could have gotten 92% of the gaming performance for 73% of the price doesn't make me want to run out and buy this. Hopefully the 8% gaming performance gains are not accurate.
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predabot__6778
Interesting... so, 8% faster on average Well, that's.... decent. But a little bit disappointing - mainly because a true generational upgrade needs to break that 10% barrier! Double-digits is what's called for.
Still, this chip is at the very least more faster than its predecessor, than the other chips in the Zen5-lineup - that increased frequency doing some work, it seems.
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Interesting... so, 8% faster on average Well, that's.... decent. But a little bit disappointing - mainly because a true generational upgrade needs to break that 10% barrier! Double-digits is what's called for.
Still, this chip is at the very least more faster than its predecessor, than the other chips in the Zen5-lineup - that increased frequency doing some work, it seems.
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hectorvivis3651
I wonder now if the meh feeling about the Ryzen 900 is just because the real step up AMD achieved with this new product line is the engineering realized for the 3D-Vcache version.
It really don't matter much for the normal CPUs but would actually be a larger improvement for the X3D.
We'll see when normal and overclocking reviews are in I suppose.
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I wonder now if the meh feeling about the Ryzen 900 is just because the real step up AMD achieved with this new product line is the engineering realized for the 3D-Vcache version.
It really don't matter much for the normal CPUs but would actually be a larger improvement for the X3D.
We'll see when normal and overclocking reviews are in I suppose.
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Molasar54
Great video, with wonderful analysis. This just shows how far advanced Team Red is over Team Blue with actual engineering behind their designs and innovations. Not designing chips with built in issues that will cause them to not be trustworthy. Can't wait to get my hands on one. The gap between AMD and Intel is growing exponentially. Great job Steve.
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Great video, with wonderful analysis. This just shows how far advanced Team Red is over Team Blue with actual engineering behind their designs and innovations. Not designing chips with built in issues that will cause them to not be trustworthy. Can't wait to get my hands on one. The gap between AMD and Intel is growing exponentially. Great job Steve.
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Galexlol
Ehi steve and crew, could we get a giant fan test since you (and me) seem to be the only ones that thought about noise frequency in reviews (duh i've literally been saying this for years) and not only db which is a kind of useless metric Or a megathread on your website so this way we can choose what actual fans don't make your ears explode. Thanks.
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Ehi steve and crew, could we get a giant fan test since you (and me) seem to be the only ones that thought about noise frequency in reviews (duh i've literally been saying this for years) and not only db which is a kind of useless metric Or a megathread on your website so this way we can choose what actual fans don't make your ears explode. Thanks.
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stevofinj
Wow, this is transparency from a company that is rarely seen! AMD really had nothing to gain by sharing this in-depth knowledge with you (and by extension, us!). This was very insightful!! Thank you SO much for asking the questions, getting this info and spoon feeding it to me in video format Steve!! As usual, you fkn rock my guy!
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Wow, this is transparency from a company that is rarely seen! AMD really had nothing to gain by sharing this in-depth knowledge with you (and by extension, us!). This was very insightful!! Thank you SO much for asking the questions, getting this info and spoon feeding it to me in video format Steve!! As usual, you fkn rock my guy!
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Wooskii1
This is surprisingly much needed good news! I'm hoping AMD can finally give their dual CCD chips dual 3D V cashe. I'm thinking about how an overclockable 9900X3D (without the scheduling/ Game Bar/ core parking issues) would be pretty awesome, X3D perfected- that would be the killer CPU that finally convinces me to upgrade from AM4!
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This is surprisingly much needed good news! I'm hoping AMD can finally give their dual CCD chips dual 3D V cashe. I'm thinking about how an overclockable 9900X3D (without the scheduling/ Game Bar/ core parking issues) would be pretty awesome, X3D perfected- that would be the killer CPU that finally convinces me to upgrade from AM4!
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CimInc
Over 12 months, where I'm located, the 7800x3D has gone from $350-400 to $530-560 and the 9800x3D is said to launch at $620-640 (all prices including tax).
It's rough to wanna be a gamer these days. My last build had a 5800x (that just launched and x3D wasn't a thing) and that cost me $300-ish with tax.
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Over 12 months, where I'm located, the 7800x3D has gone from $350-400 to $530-560 and the 9800x3D is said to launch at $620-640 (all prices including tax).
It's rough to wanna be a gamer these days. My last build had a 5800x (that just launched and x3D wasn't a thing) and that cost me $300-ish with tax.
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nah_bro_really
I really want to see performance numbers on the 9800X3D for non-gaming workloads! I've been eyeing the 9950 and wondering if it's finally time to consider retiring my 5900X... but if the 9800X3D's performance for things like code compile is the same or better, it'd be really compelling.
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I really want to see performance numbers on the 9800X3D for non-gaming workloads! I've been eyeing the 9950 and wondering if it's finally time to consider retiring my 5900X... but if the 9800X3D's performance for things like code compile is the same or better, it'd be really compelling.
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Malinkadink
$480 for 8 cores 16 threads, 265k 20 cores for $400 with no HT/SMT nonsense. Is AMD smoking crack That 20% faster than 285k average is comparing a stock CPU when we know Intel has better OC potential which can bring that gap down to be more like 10% slower in gaming on average.
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$480 for 8 cores 16 threads, 265k 20 cores for $400 with no HT/SMT nonsense. Is AMD smoking crack That 20% faster than 285k average is comparing a stock CPU when we know Intel has better OC potential which can bring that gap down to be more like 10% slower in gaming on average.
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Starfals
Omg, its getting very pricy to get top of the line anything. We are almost at the 500 mark. Im starting to wonder if we will get to see a 1000 dollar X3D chip in a few more years... I got the 7800X3D for 340 bucks long time ago. Now they made it hard to buy so its back to 450...
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Omg, its getting very pricy to get top of the line anything. We are almost at the 500 mark. Im starting to wonder if we will get to see a 1000 dollar X3D chip in a few more years... I got the 7800X3D for 340 bucks long time ago. Now they made it hard to buy so its back to 450...
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zeroblade9800
Time to start parting out my 5950x rig. Seems most games have gains over 7800X3D but this time overclock is on the table. Rumor is 9950X3D is a CES reveal but man I'm not looking forward to the price. RTX 5090 also expected at CES and god im going to miss EVGA even more
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Time to start parting out my 5950x rig. Seems most games have gains over 7800X3D but this time overclock is on the table. Rumor is 9950X3D is a CES reveal but man I'm not looking forward to the price. RTX 5090 also expected at CES and god im going to miss EVGA even more
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Skott62
I just built a new AM5 rig. I bought a used 7900x from a buddy at a great price that replaced my old AM4 3900x. Quite happy with it. Skipping the 9xxx series. I will wait for the 1XXXX X3Dseries (whatever it will be called) to come out (next year) before upgrading again.
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I just built a new AM5 rig. I bought a used 7900x from a buddy at a great price that replaced my old AM4 3900x. Quite happy with it. Skipping the 9xxx series. I will wait for the 1XXXX X3Dseries (whatever it will be called) to come out (next year) before upgrading again.
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