COVID-19 Contact Apps - Safe for Privacy? (DEMONETIZED) - Rob Braxman Tech
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Date: 2022-03-20
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Sam
Sorry, but this is not true at least not for the version planed in Europe/Germany. The App will not store Mac addresses. The phones will exchange IDs which are generated randomly every 15 oder 30 minutes. Your own IDs and the IDs you received will stay on your device until you get infected. Only if you're infected and choose to, the app will send either your own IDs oder the IDs you received to the server (concept isn't completely finished here. And from what I know now, the solution that Google and Apple want to provide will do the same. And it will be open source.
So basically I don't see a too big privacy issue here. And this solution is far from what China is doing. Yes, there is a risk, if we think most of the smartphone could be hacked and are vulnerable. But even then, if for example only the received IDs will be transferred to the server, than the part responsible protecting you is your own phone, since no one else has your IDs. Because the IDs are changed regularly, you also can't know the ID of a person, by simply passing them once. In case you are infected and choose to upload the IDs and if we assume the server owner (likely government, which could create a relationship between the real world identity and the transferred IDs, has (illegal) access to a majority of IDs stored on the phones, we have a problem, but only then. So it could be abused, but I think the likelihood is not really high. And than it wouldn't really make a difference, because NSA and others could do this either way, with or without the app. Also yes, there is a general problem with the Bluetooth/WiFi identifiers (Mac address. But this is not part of the planned Covid 19 apps.
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Sorry, but this is not true at least not for the version planed in Europe/Germany. The App will not store Mac addresses. The phones will exchange IDs which are generated randomly every 15 oder 30 minutes. Your own IDs and the IDs you received will stay on your device until you get infected. Only if you're infected and choose to, the app will send either your own IDs oder the IDs you received to the server (concept isn't completely finished here. And from what I know now, the solution that Google and Apple want to provide will do the same. And it will be open source.
So basically I don't see a too big privacy issue here. And this solution is far from what China is doing. Yes, there is a risk, if we think most of the smartphone could be hacked and are vulnerable. But even then, if for example only the received IDs will be transferred to the server, than the part responsible protecting you is your own phone, since no one else has your IDs. Because the IDs are changed regularly, you also can't know the ID of a person, by simply passing them once. In case you are infected and choose to upload the IDs and if we assume the server owner (likely government, which could create a relationship between the real world identity and the transferred IDs, has (illegal) access to a majority of IDs stored on the phones, we have a problem, but only then. So it could be abused, but I think the likelihood is not really high. And than it wouldn't really make a difference, because NSA and others could do this either way, with or without the app. Also yes, there is a general problem with the Bluetooth/WiFi identifiers (Mac address. But this is not part of the planned Covid 19 apps.
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Pavel
I-m pretty sure that this covid apps is a really convenient way for corps to justify their data collection for society.
In Russia we had a funny situation last week. The government has introduced an application to control movements during quarantine time and some developers have decompiled it and found out that it gathers a lot of data, and of course some of this data is certainly should not be revealed to anyone, especially the government. It also used a lot of hacks to get device fingerprint by calling Runtime and useing native libraries. So when these guys told others what exactly happens there people started to boycott this apps and flood google play and apple store with -1 stars- etc. But for me it is curious, what if all these people would know that apple and google actually collect many times more data than our government with these covid apps?
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I-m pretty sure that this covid apps is a really convenient way for corps to justify their data collection for society.
In Russia we had a funny situation last week. The government has introduced an application to control movements during quarantine time and some developers have decompiled it and found out that it gathers a lot of data, and of course some of this data is certainly should not be revealed to anyone, especially the government. It also used a lot of hacks to get device fingerprint by calling Runtime and useing native libraries. So when these guys told others what exactly happens there people started to boycott this apps and flood google play and apple store with -1 stars- etc. But for me it is curious, what if all these people would know that apple and google actually collect many times more data than our government with these covid apps?
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Darnell
Wow, the low view count shows YouTube/Google/Alphabet totally shadow banned this video for some time. In addition to demonetizing it.
YouTube did recommend this video to me today. So maybe they are easing up on this particular one. But they also know what interest me, and that I don't go down the rabbit holes they recommend for junk content. So, if they want me viewing they know they have to give me content with substance.
Thank you for taking the hit for the benefit of the public. At least the few who actually get to see this. And I suspect they are only recommending this video to people they know were never going to use that app.
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Wow, the low view count shows YouTube/Google/Alphabet totally shadow banned this video for some time. In addition to demonetizing it.
YouTube did recommend this video to me today. So maybe they are easing up on this particular one. But they also know what interest me, and that I don't go down the rabbit holes they recommend for junk content. So, if they want me viewing they know they have to give me content with substance.
Thank you for taking the hit for the benefit of the public. At least the few who actually get to see this. And I suspect they are only recommending this video to people they know were never going to use that app.
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synth
there is a device key. a daily key derived from the device key. and a rolling proximity identifier (changes every 15 minutes) derived from the daily key. BT Advertising MAC + RP identifiers are always rotated together. Every -15 min, all identifiable info is rotated. all received identifiers 'shall be kept on device'. This means process of 'determining exposure' is client-side: App downloads set of relevant (i. e. infected) keys and client identifies if exposure occurred. Your explanation in the video in the video is terrible and your concerns about contact tracing are way overblown.
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there is a device key. a daily key derived from the device key. and a rolling proximity identifier (changes every 15 minutes) derived from the daily key. BT Advertising MAC + RP identifiers are always rotated together. Every -15 min, all identifiable info is rotated. all received identifiers 'shall be kept on device'. This means process of 'determining exposure' is client-side: App downloads set of relevant (i. e. infected) keys and client identifies if exposure occurred. Your explanation in the video in the video is terrible and your concerns about contact tracing are way overblown.
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Barnabas
Excellent video as usual. More power to The Brax! Note what has happened in the UK recently. Technology originally intended for anti-terrorist purposes - Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) - has now been used by the police to check whether you are away from your home location and have issued fines if that was found to be the case. Governments and corporations will always fall victim to the temptation to use tech and information for sinister purposes other than what it was originally -sold- to people for. Truly horrifying.
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Excellent video as usual. More power to The Brax! Note what has happened in the UK recently. Technology originally intended for anti-terrorist purposes - Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) - has now been used by the police to check whether you are away from your home location and have issued fines if that was found to be the case. Governments and corporations will always fall victim to the temptation to use tech and information for sinister purposes other than what it was originally -sold- to people for. Truly horrifying.
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Norman
Questions. do the apps turn on and use your wi-fi and bluetooth without your knowledge and with no indication on the phone? I ask because I never use them when I am out of the house. My vehicles do not have bluetooth in them. if this is true what I hear you say is the only safe way to have a phone is to remove the sim card unless you need to make a call or get e-mail etc. at that point they only know where the phone is when its -on-line- not where you have been?
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Questions. do the apps turn on and use your wi-fi and bluetooth without your knowledge and with no indication on the phone? I ask because I never use them when I am out of the house. My vehicles do not have bluetooth in them. if this is true what I hear you say is the only safe way to have a phone is to remove the sim card unless you need to make a call or get e-mail etc. at that point they only know where the phone is when its -on-line- not where you have been?
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Dorin
One of the best things YT brought me was to find your chanel. That beeing said, what you said, now 8 months ago, hapens in UK, and happend 2 to people i know. one thing i know now, ill ditch the smartphone in the next weeks. p. s. thank you for your content and please keep it up, ill be watching on my laptop every video you post. --
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One of the best things YT brought me was to find your chanel. That beeing said, what you said, now 8 months ago, hapens in UK, and happend 2 to people i know. one thing i know now, ill ditch the smartphone in the next weeks. p. s. thank you for your content and please keep it up, ill be watching on my laptop every video you post. --
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Claire
Luv the cute little pic of the green Covid. My bro told me this morning that they saddled him with the C- 19 app on his phone. He does not know how to remove it. I'm trying to find it on my Moto X but i don't see it. You would think people would be freaking over this but nah, they've been zombified: O.
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Luv the cute little pic of the green Covid. My bro told me this morning that they saddled him with the C- 19 app on his phone. He does not know how to remove it. I'm trying to find it on my Moto X but i don't see it. You would think people would be freaking over this but nah, they've been zombified: O.
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Brandon
Some apps allow you to turn your Wifi and Bluetooth connections on and off based on your location. As relates to this issue, when you leave your home, you can set your apps up to automatically turn your Wifi and Bluetooth off, and then back on when you get back home.
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Some apps allow you to turn your Wifi and Bluetooth connections on and off based on your location. As relates to this issue, when you leave your home, you can set your apps up to automatically turn your Wifi and Bluetooth off, and then back on when you get back home.
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Aee
COVID-19 is virus for human and also COVID-19 contact app is virus app, don-t contact with COVID-19 and also don-t contact with COVID-19 app. Take care of your self, your family and your friends, and good luck to everyone. Don-t make your phone as cyborg of you.
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COVID-19 is virus for human and also COVID-19 contact app is virus app, don-t contact with COVID-19 and also don-t contact with COVID-19 app. Take care of your self, your family and your friends, and good luck to everyone. Don-t make your phone as cyborg of you.
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