Toyota Mirai review: the hydrogen car that 'urinates'
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Date: 2022-04-11
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Lucius
The only reason for the existence of hydrogen in cars is the traditional model: oil companies, transportation of fuel thru boats or trucks, and existence of final gas stations- all these middlemen, they just cannot exist in the new era of electric cars. So they invented hydrogen powered cars! To keep you paying again: production plants (instead of producing gasoline, now it is hydrogen, transportation of this hydrogen, gas stations (now selling hydrogen) so that you will never be free from them. But unfortunately for them, people have chosen freedom from all these, the freedom that you can plug a cable wherever you want, and no one can control you or your car consumption. For over a hundred years they are squeezing us out of our cash, making them ultra rich without limits. I cannot wait to see all these sharks going bankrupt, or changing their ways into more ethical business ways. Another fairy tale they are trying to push, is mostly through germans, and the scam of synthetic fossil fuel- Again to keep production plants, transportation, and final selling points alive. bye, bye losers!
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The only reason for the existence of hydrogen in cars is the traditional model: oil companies, transportation of fuel thru boats or trucks, and existence of final gas stations- all these middlemen, they just cannot exist in the new era of electric cars. So they invented hydrogen powered cars! To keep you paying again: production plants (instead of producing gasoline, now it is hydrogen, transportation of this hydrogen, gas stations (now selling hydrogen) so that you will never be free from them. But unfortunately for them, people have chosen freedom from all these, the freedom that you can plug a cable wherever you want, and no one can control you or your car consumption. For over a hundred years they are squeezing us out of our cash, making them ultra rich without limits. I cannot wait to see all these sharks going bankrupt, or changing their ways into more ethical business ways. Another fairy tale they are trying to push, is mostly through germans, and the scam of synthetic fossil fuel- Again to keep production plants, transportation, and final selling points alive. bye, bye losers!
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George
Let-s say it again, battery electric vehicles are a stopgap -until fuel cell vehicles take hold. -
And fuel cell vehicles will take hold precisely because oil companies can support them with their existing business model - the same one they now use to support gasoline and diesel filling stations. Those who prefer only battery cars should reflect on this and on the words of Angela Needle:
-Efficiency is not the only value driver for a working energy system, you-ve got to look at resilience - is the energy always there when we need it? We-ve got to look at consumer behavior and needs - the cost of disruption of getting everybody to install an electric solution over hydrogen. Is it worth it and does it get us [to net zero] at the pace we need? -
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Let-s say it again, battery electric vehicles are a stopgap -until fuel cell vehicles take hold. -
And fuel cell vehicles will take hold precisely because oil companies can support them with their existing business model - the same one they now use to support gasoline and diesel filling stations. Those who prefer only battery cars should reflect on this and on the words of Angela Needle:
-Efficiency is not the only value driver for a working energy system, you-ve got to look at resilience - is the energy always there when we need it? We-ve got to look at consumer behavior and needs - the cost of disruption of getting everybody to install an electric solution over hydrogen. Is it worth it and does it get us [to net zero] at the pace we need? -
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dy
As we all know, an atom consists of a nucleus and electron right? The way the Fuel Cell works is by using a special membrane that separates them, in which hydrogen is the easiest as it just consist of a proton and an electron, -forcing- the electron to flow through the electrical circuit before it can merge back with the protons (or nucleuses) and react with oxygen on the other side to create water.
Although it's very unlikely the protons will meet the same electrons as the flow of electrons inside a circuit is actually about 40x slower than snail. The electric current might be near the speed of light, but the electrons are not.
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As we all know, an atom consists of a nucleus and electron right? The way the Fuel Cell works is by using a special membrane that separates them, in which hydrogen is the easiest as it just consist of a proton and an electron, -forcing- the electron to flow through the electrical circuit before it can merge back with the protons (or nucleuses) and react with oxygen on the other side to create water.
Although it's very unlikely the protons will meet the same electrons as the flow of electrons inside a circuit is actually about 40x slower than snail. The electric current might be near the speed of light, but the electrons are not.
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Cordell
I-m from Los Angeles, and we actually have pretty decent hydrogen fuel infrastructure and it-s pretty much a max of like 10-15 miles between stations in my specific area. So, this car is pretty much devoid of downsides for me. I honestly think I may buy it, because I-m getting really concerned about my carbon emissions since I currently drive a challenger SRT which is shitting itself rn since it-s relatively old and I-ve put about 160k miles on it (I do a LOT of driving because it-s basically my therapy at this point.
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I-m from Los Angeles, and we actually have pretty decent hydrogen fuel infrastructure and it-s pretty much a max of like 10-15 miles between stations in my specific area. So, this car is pretty much devoid of downsides for me. I honestly think I may buy it, because I-m getting really concerned about my carbon emissions since I currently drive a challenger SRT which is shitting itself rn since it-s relatively old and I-ve put about 160k miles on it (I do a LOT of driving because it-s basically my therapy at this point.
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Squid
The clear main benefit of this car vs electric is the range and also the time it takes to refuel. Much faster refuel time vs electric. Also it is a better solution to reduce vehicle emissions and vehicle pollution from driving. Actually cleaning the air and water as it drives. More hydrogen refuel stations should come with time just as the electric stations came before them.
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The clear main benefit of this car vs electric is the range and also the time it takes to refuel. Much faster refuel time vs electric. Also it is a better solution to reduce vehicle emissions and vehicle pollution from driving. Actually cleaning the air and water as it drives. More hydrogen refuel stations should come with time just as the electric stations came before them.
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Bmwryder
I keep considering one, I have a 180 mile a day commute and there are loads of hydrogen filling stations around my work. An EV the time to charge would be a major pain for me. I have other cars so I wouldn-t need this aside from working and the incentives here in the US knock almost 32% off the price of the car AND they give you another $15, 000 in fuel credit.
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I keep considering one, I have a 180 mile a day commute and there are loads of hydrogen filling stations around my work. An EV the time to charge would be a major pain for me. I have other cars so I wouldn-t need this aside from working and the incentives here in the US knock almost 32% off the price of the car AND they give you another $15, 000 in fuel credit.
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Evangeline
Hydrogen cars are electric vehicles. But contrary to the battery cars, fuel cell cars produce their own electricity to the electric motors instead of having to charge tons of batteries.
I hope there will be more development of hydrogen cars - they are electric, yet can be refilled as quickly as gasoline cars. If only there were more filling stations.
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Hydrogen cars are electric vehicles. But contrary to the battery cars, fuel cell cars produce their own electricity to the electric motors instead of having to charge tons of batteries.
I hope there will be more development of hydrogen cars - they are electric, yet can be refilled as quickly as gasoline cars. If only there were more filling stations.
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James
Lemme get this straight - They cost more, have terrible range, cost just as much to fill up, they lose the cool lightning acceleration factor you get from an electric car, you lose the rear passengers space, and boot space and the frunk. for a niche vehicle that'll cost a shit tonne to service in the future. Got it. POS. -
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Lemme get this straight - They cost more, have terrible range, cost just as much to fill up, they lose the cool lightning acceleration factor you get from an electric car, you lose the rear passengers space, and boot space and the frunk. for a niche vehicle that'll cost a shit tonne to service in the future. Got it. POS. -
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Colin
I can't help but feel that once the infrastructure for hydrogen fuel stations gains pace, it will plough past the current plugin EV's. This mimics what we currently have, which works well. I can't see how you would want to sit for 30-60 mins charging a vehicle that only gives you half of what this could give you in 10mins.
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I can't help but feel that once the infrastructure for hydrogen fuel stations gains pace, it will plough past the current plugin EV's. This mimics what we currently have, which works well. I can't see how you would want to sit for 30-60 mins charging a vehicle that only gives you half of what this could give you in 10mins.
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daniel
Ok so build power plant to make the electricity to make the hydrogen family elctricly hungry. Then fill your car with hydrogen and waist some of that energy in the combustion proves. Or just go straight electric. the energy needed to make hydrogen is the issue with hydrogen.
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Ok so build power plant to make the electricity to make the hydrogen family elctricly hungry. Then fill your car with hydrogen and waist some of that energy in the combustion proves. Or just go straight electric. the energy needed to make hydrogen is the issue with hydrogen.
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