Lilly Singh Female Money Controversy, Cohen AMI, Theresa May, Brexit & What People Are Binging.
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Date: 2019-11-01
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TheDireLynx
I think you're completely missing the point with Lily Singh. She's not arguing that female creators are actually not earning as much and its an industry problem, she's arguing that Forbes is fostering the perception that female creators aren't able to succeed the way male creators are, which is problematic. This is the beginning of female accomplishments in the youtube industry being pushed to the side, like they are in so many other spaces. When you look at history, you find almost no female representation in any space, and its because their accomplishments were hidden or sidelined. This is how it begins. People don't recognize female accomplishments -> people don't think women have any accomplishments -> people don't believe women are accomplishing anything because they don't think women had managed to accomplish things in the past. Honestly, think about it, if you heard that a highschool dropout that spent most of their time in prison is now an accomplished professor just a year later, you wouldn't believe it. Now imagine if this person being a dropout was just a rumour because they went to homeschooling and taking remote courses and their time spent in jail and prison was massively exaggerated because they didn't go out very often after their run-ins with the law. This is basically what's happens to women as a whole. The perception of a lack of skill leads to the disbelief in displayed skill.
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I think you're completely missing the point with Lily Singh. She's not arguing that female creators are actually not earning as much and its an industry problem, she's arguing that Forbes is fostering the perception that female creators aren't able to succeed the way male creators are, which is problematic. This is the beginning of female accomplishments in the youtube industry being pushed to the side, like they are in so many other spaces. When you look at history, you find almost no female representation in any space, and its because their accomplishments were hidden or sidelined. This is how it begins. People don't recognize female accomplishments -> people don't think women have any accomplishments -> people don't believe women are accomplishing anything because they don't think women had managed to accomplish things in the past. Honestly, think about it, if you heard that a highschool dropout that spent most of their time in prison is now an accomplished professor just a year later, you wouldn't believe it. Now imagine if this person being a dropout was just a rumour because they went to homeschooling and taking remote courses and their time spent in jail and prison was massively exaggerated because they didn't go out very often after their run-ins with the law. This is basically what's happens to women as a whole. The perception of a lack of skill leads to the disbelief in displayed skill.
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tbuksuperfly
As an English person I voted leave. Purely due to the fact Cameron went to the EU with some things that needed changing regarding our current deal with the EU (various additional payments they'd asked for amongst other things) and was promptly told to f off and laughed at. My reasoning was I don't think we should belong to an organisation that is going to treat us like that. Lots of other specifics but no point going into them now. Considering how the EU have treated these negotiations I think we should leave more than ever. They've been slow, calculating, insulting and as difficult as possible. What bothers me more than anything is all this in-fighting with our own MPs. I wish they'd just accept the countries vote and work together to get the best deal possible. It's all very well rubbishing the deal May has put together but it's no use saying it's rubbish if that's all the EU will give us regardless of who is doing the asking. I don't agree with everything May has done but I respect her hugely for sticking with it and getting the job done dispite it's not what she wanted either. (She voted remain originally, but stepped up to enact the people's decision; unlike Cameron that ran away the moment he could even after promising he would see it through)
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As an English person I voted leave. Purely due to the fact Cameron went to the EU with some things that needed changing regarding our current deal with the EU (various additional payments they'd asked for amongst other things) and was promptly told to f off and laughed at. My reasoning was I don't think we should belong to an organisation that is going to treat us like that. Lots of other specifics but no point going into them now. Considering how the EU have treated these negotiations I think we should leave more than ever. They've been slow, calculating, insulting and as difficult as possible. What bothers me more than anything is all this in-fighting with our own MPs. I wish they'd just accept the countries vote and work together to get the best deal possible. It's all very well rubbishing the deal May has put together but it's no use saying it's rubbish if that's all the EU will give us regardless of who is doing the asking. I don't agree with everything May has done but I respect her hugely for sticking with it and getting the job done dispite it's not what she wanted either. (She voted remain originally, but stepped up to enact the people's decision; unlike Cameron that ran away the moment he could even after promising he would see it through)
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rarrmonkey
I voted to leave because on the day of the vote I had not seen a real argument for either side and was thinking (naively) that leaving could better position us as conduit between the US and EU. The day after people started talking about all the difficulties, challenges and consequences of leaving and I felt the Remain campaign had failed me by not clearly advertising these points so. I voted to leave but now wish to remain. I do not regret my vote as I did the best I could with the information available to me (without personally reading all relevant EU laws related to leaving and attempting to understand it all personally. The problem was in having an IN/OUT vote without any facts, plans or criteria associated with leaving. Both sides could assert and dismiss anything about leaving without evidence or argument because the word leave does not explain how only what will happen. Are we getting a child to leave a candy and toy store or getting someone to leave an abusive partner with control of household money after years of alienation from friends and family. Who want's a smart phone? Well now we all own one we find out they're made with parts mined by children in deadly tin pits where they can get berried alive.
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I voted to leave because on the day of the vote I had not seen a real argument for either side and was thinking (naively) that leaving could better position us as conduit between the US and EU. The day after people started talking about all the difficulties, challenges and consequences of leaving and I felt the Remain campaign had failed me by not clearly advertising these points so. I voted to leave but now wish to remain. I do not regret my vote as I did the best I could with the information available to me (without personally reading all relevant EU laws related to leaving and attempting to understand it all personally. The problem was in having an IN/OUT vote without any facts, plans or criteria associated with leaving. Both sides could assert and dismiss anything about leaving without evidence or argument because the word leave does not explain how only what will happen. Are we getting a child to leave a candy and toy store or getting someone to leave an abusive partner with control of household money after years of alienation from friends and family. Who want's a smart phone? Well now we all own one we find out they're made with parts mined by children in deadly tin pits where they can get berried alive.
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Annabel Mundy
Back when I voted in the EU referendum a couple of years ago, I was a very indoctrinated university student. I'm sure there were students who knew more, but the majority of us were just brainwashed to think Leave voters were all evil bigots who hated immigrants, and a vote for the EU was a vote for love, unity and (most of all) our own virtue. It was only after I started to see the actual crazy hysteria following Trump and Brexit that my Leave-voting friends started to seem more reasonable and so for the first time I actually listened to what they had to say. Their reasons were mostly related to national sovereignty (wanting our own elected MPs to make decisions rather than unelected EU officials in Brussels, the wasteful and immoral tactics of the EU with regards to the free market and, yes, common sense border control. All in all I think I've come around to the idea, especially now the EU is saying scary things like they want their own army. That said, if they held a 'people's vote' I would spoil my ballot in protest of such an undemocratic move. The people made their choice And some of us came round to that.
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Back when I voted in the EU referendum a couple of years ago, I was a very indoctrinated university student. I'm sure there were students who knew more, but the majority of us were just brainwashed to think Leave voters were all evil bigots who hated immigrants, and a vote for the EU was a vote for love, unity and (most of all) our own virtue. It was only after I started to see the actual crazy hysteria following Trump and Brexit that my Leave-voting friends started to seem more reasonable and so for the first time I actually listened to what they had to say. Their reasons were mostly related to national sovereignty (wanting our own elected MPs to make decisions rather than unelected EU officials in Brussels, the wasteful and immoral tactics of the EU with regards to the free market and, yes, common sense border control. All in all I think I've come around to the idea, especially now the EU is saying scary things like they want their own army. That said, if they held a 'people's vote' I would spoil my ballot in protest of such an undemocratic move. The people made their choice And some of us came round to that.
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Liz Ruth Wilson
We need a people's vote in the UK. the campaign on BOTH sides of the first referendum was based on complete fantasy and I think the whole idea of it is based on UK arrogance and prejudice against immigration. We were asked to vote before we even knew what the deal and what the possible consequences would be - how is that democratic? Furthermore, a lot of people in the UK don't know a whole lot about the ins and outs of politics (I know I didn't when I had to vote - I literally voted remain because most of the liberal people I trusted and admired did and I felt that the idea of leaving was founded on underlying racial prejudice) which is what we have a government for. What on earth made them think it was a good idea to be like we haven't really talked about the consequences yet and our campaigns are illegally funded/based off lies, but here, YOU decide like seriously, YOU'RE the politicians, you should be telling us I know a lot of people who didn't even vote because they didn't feel they had enough information to make the decision. anyway just let me off this damp hell of an island
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We need a people's vote in the UK. the campaign on BOTH sides of the first referendum was based on complete fantasy and I think the whole idea of it is based on UK arrogance and prejudice against immigration. We were asked to vote before we even knew what the deal and what the possible consequences would be - how is that democratic? Furthermore, a lot of people in the UK don't know a whole lot about the ins and outs of politics (I know I didn't when I had to vote - I literally voted remain because most of the liberal people I trusted and admired did and I felt that the idea of leaving was founded on underlying racial prejudice) which is what we have a government for. What on earth made them think it was a good idea to be like we haven't really talked about the consequences yet and our campaigns are illegally funded/based off lies, but here, YOU decide like seriously, YOU'RE the politicians, you should be telling us I know a lot of people who didn't even vote because they didn't feel they had enough information to make the decision. anyway just let me off this damp hell of an island
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TalkingToMyself
As a Brit, Brexit causes me a lot of worry. I was pro Brexit to an extent because I thought it might lessen the growing risk of overpopulation in the UK (Im not pro kicking people out but I do think we need to lessen the amount of people we let in to primarily people coming from genuinely dangerous places); my mother works in a hospital and overcrowding is a growing problem. However I didnt originally vote because I didnt feel informed enough on the topic. If there was a second vote now, I would try and get more informed so I can make a decision but I think at this point a lot of people would vote remain on the basis of the shit show Theresa May has been putting us through which I think is wrong. Despite not knowing a great deal on the topic, I do believe we could be doing Brexit in a far more efficient way. Not to mention, if we try and remain now, do you really think the EU is going to treat us without bias? Were the wishy washy country now. At this point Id rather live in America (not something Id actually do I dont need anyones snarky comments about staying where I came from.
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As a Brit, Brexit causes me a lot of worry. I was pro Brexit to an extent because I thought it might lessen the growing risk of overpopulation in the UK (Im not pro kicking people out but I do think we need to lessen the amount of people we let in to primarily people coming from genuinely dangerous places); my mother works in a hospital and overcrowding is a growing problem. However I didnt originally vote because I didnt feel informed enough on the topic. If there was a second vote now, I would try and get more informed so I can make a decision but I think at this point a lot of people would vote remain on the basis of the shit show Theresa May has been putting us through which I think is wrong. Despite not knowing a great deal on the topic, I do believe we could be doing Brexit in a far more efficient way. Not to mention, if we try and remain now, do you really think the EU is going to treat us without bias? Were the wishy washy country now. At this point Id rather live in America (not something Id actually do I dont need anyones snarky comments about staying where I came from.
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Joseph Maylin
I live in the UK, and Brexit became an incredibly well discussed issue as the original referendum approached. After discussing with close family and friends, the former of which who were leavers, and the majority of the latter were either unsure or remainers. All had seemingly legitimate reasons for their views and initially I leant towards remaining, however at the last minute certain articles and conversations made me see the myriad issues of separating and I made a large switch into the Remainer camp just before the referendum. Fast forward to now and I no longer know more than one or two leavers. My entire family have changed their minds, not necessarily of their reasons, but at least on the timing and position from which we leave.
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I live in the UK, and Brexit became an incredibly well discussed issue as the original referendum approached. After discussing with close family and friends, the former of which who were leavers, and the majority of the latter were either unsure or remainers. All had seemingly legitimate reasons for their views and initially I leant towards remaining, however at the last minute certain articles and conversations made me see the myriad issues of separating and I made a large switch into the Remainer camp just before the referendum. Fast forward to now and I no longer know more than one or two leavers. My entire family have changed their minds, not necessarily of their reasons, but at least on the timing and position from which we leave.
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Logen M
Yeah lily sent a tweet kinda being hateful and salty about all the people that made it on the TOP 10 list and then she backtracked all of that just to say shes not angry at anyone of the people that she blamed? Now If shes just talking about a pattern that she sees then its nothing to complain about because she should know that getting popular on YouTube means catering to a certain kind of audience and a large amount of YouTube audience are kids. So if she wants to complain about anything she should complain about how the platform constantly demonetises the non-kid friendly content and creators. Talk about real issues and how to fix them instead of trying to create an unnecessary stir about gender for no reason.
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Yeah lily sent a tweet kinda being hateful and salty about all the people that made it on the TOP 10 list and then she backtracked all of that just to say shes not angry at anyone of the people that she blamed? Now If shes just talking about a pattern that she sees then its nothing to complain about because she should know that getting popular on YouTube means catering to a certain kind of audience and a large amount of YouTube audience are kids. So if she wants to complain about anything she should complain about how the platform constantly demonetises the non-kid friendly content and creators. Talk about real issues and how to fix them instead of trying to create an unnecessary stir about gender for no reason.
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A Pinch Of Stardust
As a small youtuber and a feminist I actually disagree with Lilly on this one. I'm not monetized yet but something I have noticed so far is that why sub count and views are directly affected by how hard I work. Its also near impossible to know how much a youtuber actually earns because there are so many others ways to earn other than just ad revenue. Maybe woman are more likely to get sponsors so don't feel the need to make as many videos (just a thought i literally have no idea). I mean I'm probably wrong but I'm not going to be outraged until we know the reasons why women are not on that list
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As a small youtuber and a feminist I actually disagree with Lilly on this one. I'm not monetized yet but something I have noticed so far is that why sub count and views are directly affected by how hard I work. Its also near impossible to know how much a youtuber actually earns because there are so many others ways to earn other than just ad revenue. Maybe woman are more likely to get sponsors so don't feel the need to make as many videos (just a thought i literally have no idea). I mean I'm probably wrong but I'm not going to be outraged until we know the reasons why women are not on that list
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