The War In Afghanistan, 17 Years Later Here's Why It Might Never End.
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Date: 2019-11-01
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Eco Mouse
My stance is and always will be, Let them live how they want to live Even if that means brutally killing each other, women and children too. But they are to remain as they are with NO outside help or influence. Totally cut off from modern technology, health care, education, information. Just a dark spot on the map, that NO civilized country should trade or have any kind of economic relations with. PERIOD. HOWEVER. if they want a seat at the Big Boy Table and all the amenities that come with being a modern, progressive stable country. Then some concessions have to be made from within. You want access to vaccines? You want clean water technology? You want telecommunications? You want education? You want modern health care? Then you need to offer your people equal and fair treatment. Guaranteed rights and privileges. Stop the senseless killings and tribalism. Allow your people the freedom to choose what and who they want to worship. Give women equal rights and access to education and health services. Allow your people to vote and hold elections. Abide by the rule of law, and not the rule of mob. Ya know, regular civilized behavior that the rest of the world already agrees upon. If they can't live up to those fundamental changes, then they don't deserve the right to even be acknowledged as a country or any form of sovereignty.
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My stance is and always will be, Let them live how they want to live Even if that means brutally killing each other, women and children too. But they are to remain as they are with NO outside help or influence. Totally cut off from modern technology, health care, education, information. Just a dark spot on the map, that NO civilized country should trade or have any kind of economic relations with. PERIOD. HOWEVER. if they want a seat at the Big Boy Table and all the amenities that come with being a modern, progressive stable country. Then some concessions have to be made from within. You want access to vaccines? You want clean water technology? You want telecommunications? You want education? You want modern health care? Then you need to offer your people equal and fair treatment. Guaranteed rights and privileges. Stop the senseless killings and tribalism. Allow your people the freedom to choose what and who they want to worship. Give women equal rights and access to education and health services. Allow your people to vote and hold elections. Abide by the rule of law, and not the rule of mob. Ya know, regular civilized behavior that the rest of the world already agrees upon. If they can't live up to those fundamental changes, then they don't deserve the right to even be acknowledged as a country or any form of sovereignty.
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Hop To It
Two important pieces of information omitted or unknown to the segment producer: (1) Somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of the Afghan government is funded by the USA. (2) A substantial amount of Taliban funding comes from the USA in the form of tariffs, bribes, wages, and other fees paid to transport supplies overland from Pakistani ports into AFG. Conclusion: The Government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan (GIRoA) would cease to exist in one payroll cycle without US financing. The Taliban is significantly financed by the US taxpayer who also funds the war to fight them. The guest speakers used for this segment are indicative of the worst sort of beltway FORPOL blob posturing. Joscelyn used to write for The Weekly Standard which has mercifully been obliterated by its owners because it never made any money except indirectly for the war profiteering industry. Weekly Standard was the publication that proudly proclaimed the Iraq war had ended in April of 2003. At the very least, DeFranco's team could have reached out to Scott Horton who does a radio show on 90. 7 right in LA and took the effort to assemble among the best explainers about Afghanistan: _Fool's Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan_
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Two important pieces of information omitted or unknown to the segment producer: (1) Somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of the Afghan government is funded by the USA. (2) A substantial amount of Taliban funding comes from the USA in the form of tariffs, bribes, wages, and other fees paid to transport supplies overland from Pakistani ports into AFG. Conclusion: The Government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan (GIRoA) would cease to exist in one payroll cycle without US financing. The Taliban is significantly financed by the US taxpayer who also funds the war to fight them. The guest speakers used for this segment are indicative of the worst sort of beltway FORPOL blob posturing. Joscelyn used to write for The Weekly Standard which has mercifully been obliterated by its owners because it never made any money except indirectly for the war profiteering industry. Weekly Standard was the publication that proudly proclaimed the Iraq war had ended in April of 2003. At the very least, DeFranco's team could have reached out to Scott Horton who does a radio show on 90. 7 right in LA and took the effort to assemble among the best explainers about Afghanistan: _Fool's Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan_
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nhpkm1
I think that one of the biggest thing helping modern terrorist groups is the news talking about them like a military (I'm gonna compare military and terrorist briefly)In both when a fighter dies he was also a civilian. But military require the fighter to train and all ways mark them self as military with uniform. While in a terrorist can simply pick up a gun of the floor from a dead terrorist and became a terrorist ( American sniper scene ) So I believe that like militaries had to change, media and news have to change reporting. I don't have the perfect solution but innocent civilian and terrorist are too over lapping some times. Maybe a more dynamic system needed like (from innocent to guilty)1 cooperating (with government)2 unknown affiliation 3 resisting 4 suspected supporter 5 known terrorist. That way when a family that houses terrorist in there house dies the headline will be '6 suspected supporter died and 2 known terrorist 'Instead of '6 innocent civilians and 2 terrorist died 'It's a bit dehumanizing, but calling same1 a terrorist is as well. I may be biased as an Israeli (had to deal with so much terrorism )
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I think that one of the biggest thing helping modern terrorist groups is the news talking about them like a military (I'm gonna compare military and terrorist briefly)In both when a fighter dies he was also a civilian. But military require the fighter to train and all ways mark them self as military with uniform. While in a terrorist can simply pick up a gun of the floor from a dead terrorist and became a terrorist ( American sniper scene ) So I believe that like militaries had to change, media and news have to change reporting. I don't have the perfect solution but innocent civilian and terrorist are too over lapping some times. Maybe a more dynamic system needed like (from innocent to guilty)1 cooperating (with government)2 unknown affiliation 3 resisting 4 suspected supporter 5 known terrorist. That way when a family that houses terrorist in there house dies the headline will be '6 suspected supporter died and 2 known terrorist 'Instead of '6 innocent civilians and 2 terrorist died 'It's a bit dehumanizing, but calling same1 a terrorist is as well. I may be biased as an Israeli (had to deal with so much terrorism )
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Jack Hume
I like having this style of reporting and while I do like to hear Phil's opinions and reactions to things it's sometimes a little difficult to use when I am trying to educate others on situations because Phil can be a little heavy for some folks. It's nice to get some stories that are just the straight facts without opinion mixed in so when I am discussing a subject with someone who doesn't agree with Phil's view point it becomes more about the opinions presented than the news I am trying to share raw facts of. I'm around a lot of people who get their news from second hand biased opinions who don't really use the internet and believe some really radical things based on the stream of misinformation they have to work with. It's easier to give them a report with raw facts then discuss opinions later. They tend to see the opinion and throw out the facts because of it. I personally like both styles of shows a lot. Of course I am not asking Phil to not share his opinion I just appreciate having some reports that are just straightforward facts showing both sides fairly and reporting in a neutral way.
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I like having this style of reporting and while I do like to hear Phil's opinions and reactions to things it's sometimes a little difficult to use when I am trying to educate others on situations because Phil can be a little heavy for some folks. It's nice to get some stories that are just the straight facts without opinion mixed in so when I am discussing a subject with someone who doesn't agree with Phil's view point it becomes more about the opinions presented than the news I am trying to share raw facts of. I'm around a lot of people who get their news from second hand biased opinions who don't really use the internet and believe some really radical things based on the stream of misinformation they have to work with. It's easier to give them a report with raw facts then discuss opinions later. They tend to see the opinion and throw out the facts because of it. I personally like both styles of shows a lot. Of course I am not asking Phil to not share his opinion I just appreciate having some reports that are just straightforward facts showing both sides fairly and reporting in a neutral way.
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nooshin y
You didnt mention how the Taliban are actually ethnically motivated more than religiously motivated. An overwhelming, 90+% of the Taliban are ethnically Pashtun - and have been targeting non-pashtun ethnicities in Afghanistan under the guise of Taliban - before the term even existed these Pashtuns massacred and committed a genocide of Hazaras. In Mazar-I-Sharif Massacre the Pashtuns killed 3000 alone - targeting Hazara Tajik and Uzbek ethnicities. This is hugely ethnically motivated - the main reason Afghanistan has never and will never overcome the Taliban is because as much as it is an armed group it is also an ideology, one that can not be dealt with if the rigged Afghan elections keep voting Pashtun tribalist presidents who agree with the Taliban and do shit all to eradicate them. One of the main targets of the Talibans manifesto was to commit a physical and cultural genocide of Hazaras, Tajiks and Uzbeks. Please research everyone and understand the position of non-pashtuns of Afghanistan.
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You didnt mention how the Taliban are actually ethnically motivated more than religiously motivated. An overwhelming, 90+% of the Taliban are ethnically Pashtun - and have been targeting non-pashtun ethnicities in Afghanistan under the guise of Taliban - before the term even existed these Pashtuns massacred and committed a genocide of Hazaras. In Mazar-I-Sharif Massacre the Pashtuns killed 3000 alone - targeting Hazara Tajik and Uzbek ethnicities. This is hugely ethnically motivated - the main reason Afghanistan has never and will never overcome the Taliban is because as much as it is an armed group it is also an ideology, one that can not be dealt with if the rigged Afghan elections keep voting Pashtun tribalist presidents who agree with the Taliban and do shit all to eradicate them. One of the main targets of the Talibans manifesto was to commit a physical and cultural genocide of Hazaras, Tajiks and Uzbeks. Please research everyone and understand the position of non-pashtuns of Afghanistan.
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Ameya S
Everybody keeps btchng about How it's all USA's fault. The real problem today is Pakistan and their continued efforts to house and fund the Taliban. The US for years now through Obama's entire administration till today have tried everything including constant negotiations to bring the Afghan war to a peaceful end and get US troops out. but the Taliban refuses to negotiate anything meaningful because they keep getting refuge and funding from across border Pakistan; they are playing for the win. If US tomorrow withdraws it's troops from Afghanistan, the Taliban will immediately attack the other half of Afghanistan and there will be even more bloodshed. and when the Taliban eventually re-establish their Islamist totalitarian regime in full victory, then what. will the Taliban fighters disband or will they regroup to take the war to American soil with fresh 9/11 style terror attacks using Afghanistan as base. There will never be peace in Afghanistan until the terror state of Pakistan exists.
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Everybody keeps btchng about How it's all USA's fault. The real problem today is Pakistan and their continued efforts to house and fund the Taliban. The US for years now through Obama's entire administration till today have tried everything including constant negotiations to bring the Afghan war to a peaceful end and get US troops out. but the Taliban refuses to negotiate anything meaningful because they keep getting refuge and funding from across border Pakistan; they are playing for the win. If US tomorrow withdraws it's troops from Afghanistan, the Taliban will immediately attack the other half of Afghanistan and there will be even more bloodshed. and when the Taliban eventually re-establish their Islamist totalitarian regime in full victory, then what. will the Taliban fighters disband or will they regroup to take the war to American soil with fresh 9/11 style terror attacks using Afghanistan as base. There will never be peace in Afghanistan until the terror state of Pakistan exists.
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Abdulaziz Luqman
Even though I am not in any way a Taleban supporter nor have i ever been to Afghanistan, I agree that the government was placed by the US, under their thumb and are their puppets. Here's a funny story I heard from an Afgan. Commonly in Afghanistan when people are eligible they go join the US training for the Afghan army, once they complete the training the then offically resign and then go join the taleban. Other things I hear from Afghans are that they refer to the time before the US invasion as a golden era, they are not interested in giving up sovereignty to the US to work under a democracy, in their point of view from the religious laws, democracy is not a way to rule the country. Despite that the US pursues establishing what they think is right without listening to the other party. This isn't gonna settle in the next 5 years.
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Even though I am not in any way a Taleban supporter nor have i ever been to Afghanistan, I agree that the government was placed by the US, under their thumb and are their puppets. Here's a funny story I heard from an Afgan. Commonly in Afghanistan when people are eligible they go join the US training for the Afghan army, once they complete the training the then offically resign and then go join the taleban. Other things I hear from Afghans are that they refer to the time before the US invasion as a golden era, they are not interested in giving up sovereignty to the US to work under a democracy, in their point of view from the religious laws, democracy is not a way to rule the country. Despite that the US pursues establishing what they think is right without listening to the other party. This isn't gonna settle in the next 5 years.
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Nicholas Schmidt
I say wars is a strong word now. It seems more like a powerful police action now, letting Afghans do most of the work. And No, to be honest as bad as it may seem I do not believe that we should hold peace talks with them. It gives their crimes legitimacy, that terrorizing a populace and killing civilians is a way to get your goals accomplished. It would lend credence to any terror group that the longer you go, the harder you fight, that the US and her allies will just roll onto their backs and let you have what you want. Even a draconian rule that would put Woman's Rights back decades and the continued human rights violations. It sucks but there has to be something that is not being considered. We gotta think outside the box on this one but true peace talks aren't it. Just my opinion though.
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I say wars is a strong word now. It seems more like a powerful police action now, letting Afghans do most of the work. And No, to be honest as bad as it may seem I do not believe that we should hold peace talks with them. It gives their crimes legitimacy, that terrorizing a populace and killing civilians is a way to get your goals accomplished. It would lend credence to any terror group that the longer you go, the harder you fight, that the US and her allies will just roll onto their backs and let you have what you want. Even a draconian rule that would put Woman's Rights back decades and the continued human rights violations. It sucks but there has to be something that is not being considered. We gotta think outside the box on this one but true peace talks aren't it. Just my opinion though.
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Fara AL
Both taliban, isis and the military from FN and NATO need to get out of this country. The country in total have been in war for over 45 years, when Soviet first came in. Taliban first appearing - which I personally believe America created or Pakistan - was a hell hole for the Afghani people. There was NO RIGHT for females and non-believers, men who didn't want beard and such. Females was targeted hard on and they was and - probably still is for many men there - not worth any more than an object, than when soviet was taking over. People in Afghanistan had so much better during USSR's time than after Taliban, NATO and FN first appeared. (FN = not sure what it's called in English but it was something with world peace something where all nation signed up with.
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Both taliban, isis and the military from FN and NATO need to get out of this country. The country in total have been in war for over 45 years, when Soviet first came in. Taliban first appearing - which I personally believe America created or Pakistan - was a hell hole for the Afghani people. There was NO RIGHT for females and non-believers, men who didn't want beard and such. Females was targeted hard on and they was and - probably still is for many men there - not worth any more than an object, than when soviet was taking over. People in Afghanistan had so much better during USSR's time than after Taliban, NATO and FN first appeared. (FN = not sure what it's called in English but it was something with world peace something where all nation signed up with.
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