Myka Stauffer Being Investigated, Vegan's BLM Rant Backlash, ALL George Floyd Officers CHARGED, &
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Humans are animals. Chickens, cows, pigs, etc. ALL suffer the same way we suffer. If humans deserve not to suffer whenever possible, animals deserve not to suffer whenever possible, too.
It took me forever to see past my own biases because I'm very much a lover of meat, but at this point in my life, I just can't see the justification for causing an animal suffering just for tasty food unless it were unavoidable. Eventually, I think we'll have to address this in society. The people who are like I don't care about a chicken like I do a human because human =! non-human just remind me of how white people justified slaves, by narrowing the classification to white =! non-white.
Date: 2020-06-04
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Andrew
my stance on the police arest is in part varied
1)Chauvin definitely murdered Floyd, no ifs or buts, but if they try and go higher then 2nd degree it will backfire as first degree required planning
2) the Asian cop who was holding the crowd back should be considered for aiding, he did nothing but say that floyd was speaking, he had no excuse, even if you could place him under my next point.
3) The 2 officers who were on him next to chauvin, from what i've understood and read, is they not only once but twice tried to ask chauvin off of floyds neck, or to roll him over as well as to try and check a pluse, not after the fact but WHILE it was still going on. Im not sure however what their rankings are, or who is in charge, but i assume that Chauvin did in fact have the authority to make the calls here, and that the other 2(im not including the asian, who allowed this to happen) are to follow his lead, meaning that while yes i agree they should have done something, it was also at their own risk.
TL: DR I believe Chauvin should get 2nd degree murder, The asian cop who stood by telling people to back off should be charged with aiding, as he never held any concern for floyd, and the other 2 cops should only be under something closer to criminal negligence. Also correct me if im wrong did anyone in that crowd every think of calling an ambulance earlier?
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my stance on the police arest is in part varied
1)Chauvin definitely murdered Floyd, no ifs or buts, but if they try and go higher then 2nd degree it will backfire as first degree required planning
2) the Asian cop who was holding the crowd back should be considered for aiding, he did nothing but say that floyd was speaking, he had no excuse, even if you could place him under my next point.
3) The 2 officers who were on him next to chauvin, from what i've understood and read, is they not only once but twice tried to ask chauvin off of floyds neck, or to roll him over as well as to try and check a pluse, not after the fact but WHILE it was still going on. Im not sure however what their rankings are, or who is in charge, but i assume that Chauvin did in fact have the authority to make the calls here, and that the other 2(im not including the asian, who allowed this to happen) are to follow his lead, meaning that while yes i agree they should have done something, it was also at their own risk.
TL: DR I believe Chauvin should get 2nd degree murder, The asian cop who stood by telling people to back off should be charged with aiding, as he never held any concern for floyd, and the other 2 cops should only be under something closer to criminal negligence. Also correct me if im wrong did anyone in that crowd every think of calling an ambulance earlier?
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Mr
Hi, I m a meat eater myself and also very pro black lives matter movement. As a meat eating Buddhist from the Himalayas I ve been exposed to having to deeply think about the life we consume for ourselves. The view is all sentient lives are equal and therefore when we do consume meat due to the lack of cultivatable land; we d rather kill one yak to feed the family for longer than 30 chicken. There people could debate that then it s not fair for the larger animals just cause they were born larger. Well I don t know I m still trying to figure it out. I just know that at least oppressed people have voices or allys that understand their language.
With animals we don t speak the same language and therefore every quack and moo, they still can t tell you, that they re blue. That they might to us seem inferior life from for us do with as we please for our sustainancs; they too might just want to live their own lives in peace, but we don t rooster nor do we meow. And maybe that shines the bliss of ignorance for us to turn those shrieks and cries into music. The timing of her video terrible the message though a press to take that journey as an individual. Idk I m quarantined and high and I watch your show routinely so just wanted to participate in the comment section.
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Hi, I m a meat eater myself and also very pro black lives matter movement. As a meat eating Buddhist from the Himalayas I ve been exposed to having to deeply think about the life we consume for ourselves. The view is all sentient lives are equal and therefore when we do consume meat due to the lack of cultivatable land; we d rather kill one yak to feed the family for longer than 30 chicken. There people could debate that then it s not fair for the larger animals just cause they were born larger. Well I don t know I m still trying to figure it out. I just know that at least oppressed people have voices or allys that understand their language.
With animals we don t speak the same language and therefore every quack and moo, they still can t tell you, that they re blue. That they might to us seem inferior life from for us do with as we please for our sustainancs; they too might just want to live their own lives in peace, but we don t rooster nor do we meow. And maybe that shines the bliss of ignorance for us to turn those shrieks and cries into music. The timing of her video terrible the message though a press to take that journey as an individual. Idk I m quarantined and high and I watch your show routinely so just wanted to participate in the comment section.
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Rin
regarding the vegan backlash. think about the point she's trying to make. think about where it is that she is coming from. why she chose the words that she did.
she views humans and animals on equal ground. she is trying to emphasize her view, that animals have the same exact rights as any normal human being and should be treated like people.
yeah, it's pretty extreme. but it's also logically consistent. if you actually do view them on equal levels, it's the same kind of fight. it's not what others are fighting for, but the end result is the same for both parties. it may not be the same for you, but that is irrelevant, because the qualifier is if you view humans and animals on equal level. she does. i doubt you or anyone else can convince her otherwise, and i personally see no issue with her taking that stance if those are the values that she wants to hold.
no, i'm not a vegan. i just enjoy topics that turn ethics on their head in unexpected ways.
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regarding the vegan backlash. think about the point she's trying to make. think about where it is that she is coming from. why she chose the words that she did.
she views humans and animals on equal ground. she is trying to emphasize her view, that animals have the same exact rights as any normal human being and should be treated like people.
yeah, it's pretty extreme. but it's also logically consistent. if you actually do view them on equal levels, it's the same kind of fight. it's not what others are fighting for, but the end result is the same for both parties. it may not be the same for you, but that is irrelevant, because the qualifier is if you view humans and animals on equal level. she does. i doubt you or anyone else can convince her otherwise, and i personally see no issue with her taking that stance if those are the values that she wants to hold.
no, i'm not a vegan. i just enjoy topics that turn ethics on their head in unexpected ways.
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Games
Everyone is so ready to cut heads off online. Even if someone is trying to send a good message. You choose to take it the most negative way possible. It's all hate. Finding the bad in everything is just as bad as all of this other bad. Online personalities of people are pretty inhuman in my opinion. It's an alter-ego. Think about it. How many people can say they are the same person online as they are irl? Would you truly say certain things to someone's face or get mad at people clearly trying to spread positive messages? I bet 95% of higher couldn't say yes to that and believe themselves.
EDIT: Btw, I'm not a vegan. I eat meat and I understand that there are horrible slaughterhouses out there. That isn't my point. It's not even the girl. My issue is with people finding the one thing that can be taken wrong and running with it. I don't know if it's boredom or hope of recognition, but I don't believe it has to do with caring.
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Everyone is so ready to cut heads off online. Even if someone is trying to send a good message. You choose to take it the most negative way possible. It's all hate. Finding the bad in everything is just as bad as all of this other bad. Online personalities of people are pretty inhuman in my opinion. It's an alter-ego. Think about it. How many people can say they are the same person online as they are irl? Would you truly say certain things to someone's face or get mad at people clearly trying to spread positive messages? I bet 95% of higher couldn't say yes to that and believe themselves.
EDIT: Btw, I'm not a vegan. I eat meat and I understand that there are horrible slaughterhouses out there. That isn't my point. It's not even the girl. My issue is with people finding the one thing that can be taken wrong and running with it. I don't know if it's boredom or hope of recognition, but I don't believe it has to do with caring.
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Arem
Eeeessshhhh first story. I understand the intent, I very much agree that we should hold anything alive as more valuable and important as we do, but it takes a special kind of self centered arrogance to try and piggyback vegan ideals on blm. -. Animals shouldn't be treated as disposable, but the comparisons she tried to make and lump together is borderline insanity to me. -. Nature = animals consuming other animals, those animals consuming plants which very much are a form of life as well. It's just the way things work. Take a separate stance on animal rights and preventing the cruel treatment that is prevalent in our systems (because oh boy the meat industry is a horror story in a lot of ways for animals, but piggyback that onto blm? That's just wrong on so many levels, she doesn't seem capable of understanding that.
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Eeeessshhhh first story. I understand the intent, I very much agree that we should hold anything alive as more valuable and important as we do, but it takes a special kind of self centered arrogance to try and piggyback vegan ideals on blm. -. Animals shouldn't be treated as disposable, but the comparisons she tried to make and lump together is borderline insanity to me. -. Nature = animals consuming other animals, those animals consuming plants which very much are a form of life as well. It's just the way things work. Take a separate stance on animal rights and preventing the cruel treatment that is prevalent in our systems (because oh boy the meat industry is a horror story in a lot of ways for animals, but piggyback that onto blm? That's just wrong on so many levels, she doesn't seem capable of understanding that.
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Neil
Well dont agree w lauren but meat is actually hurting indigenous people and the waste ofte hurts low income people. I think that she got it wrong, this is part of the problem where big companies put profit before people and politicians allowing and even encouraging it. It is actually a blm issue because the black community are hit really hard by the injustice done for profit. Besides that we ofcourse have the many many modern slaves making our tech, clothes and well, our everything. This is something that is very simular to struggles of the black community and it really needs attention because our companies are so greedy that they cancel their orders leaving these unprotected workers whk barely can afford food without a job. IDK i am bad with words but look up the injustice done to minorities on a global scale.
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Well dont agree w lauren but meat is actually hurting indigenous people and the waste ofte hurts low income people. I think that she got it wrong, this is part of the problem where big companies put profit before people and politicians allowing and even encouraging it. It is actually a blm issue because the black community are hit really hard by the injustice done for profit. Besides that we ofcourse have the many many modern slaves making our tech, clothes and well, our everything. This is something that is very simular to struggles of the black community and it really needs attention because our companies are so greedy that they cancel their orders leaving these unprotected workers whk barely can afford food without a job. IDK i am bad with words but look up the injustice done to minorities on a global scale.
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Thea
But to the thing about Lauren, the issues are real when it comes to less then fortunate people. Now it's maybe not the time to make a point, but in the big picture, most slaughter houses have less then minimum wage, take most money for shelter, treat their workers like animals and also crowed them into tiny living spaces. Like for the food you eat. So it isn't far of to compare that it's also injustice because if we start looking at that sector of the Industrie we see that humans are also dehumanised by the system, not only for meat but for everything people are greedy for. But it's not the time rn, right now we first have to make humans understand that we are equal and maybe then they will see that the way we treat animals is something we wouldn't want to be treated as either.
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But to the thing about Lauren, the issues are real when it comes to less then fortunate people. Now it's maybe not the time to make a point, but in the big picture, most slaughter houses have less then minimum wage, take most money for shelter, treat their workers like animals and also crowed them into tiny living spaces. Like for the food you eat. So it isn't far of to compare that it's also injustice because if we start looking at that sector of the Industrie we see that humans are also dehumanised by the system, not only for meat but for everything people are greedy for. But it's not the time rn, right now we first have to make humans understand that we are equal and maybe then they will see that the way we treat animals is something we wouldn't want to be treated as either.
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Toni-Ann
I'm a vegan, I'm also disabled but the recent events are not a out either of these things. It is not the time for me to advocate equality for the disabled who are currently treated better that able people of colour. It is not the time to advocate for animal lives, though it saddens me that the human element of the food chain is usually low paid workers of diffrent ethnicities. What matters right now is that human lives are being trivialised by the amount of melatonin in there skin. Yes all lives matter to me, human or animal, but that's not helpful in the current fight. Right now we need to be allies to black lives so that all lives can matter. All houses matter but youd send the fire engine to the one on fire not one that might catch fire. Xoxox
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I'm a vegan, I'm also disabled but the recent events are not a out either of these things. It is not the time for me to advocate equality for the disabled who are currently treated better that able people of colour. It is not the time to advocate for animal lives, though it saddens me that the human element of the food chain is usually low paid workers of diffrent ethnicities. What matters right now is that human lives are being trivialised by the amount of melatonin in there skin. Yes all lives matter to me, human or animal, but that's not helpful in the current fight. Right now we need to be allies to black lives so that all lives can matter. All houses matter but youd send the fire engine to the one on fire not one that might catch fire. Xoxox
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