How did the Jacobite Rebellion Actually Happen?
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Date: 2023-12-16
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-grassic
It certainly wasn't as simple as Catholic v Protestant. Many Protestants actually supported Jacobitism because the fundamental argument wasn't religion but legitimism, they saw james as the lawful king and anyone else as an usurper. In Scotland too there was a sentimental attachment to the Stuarts and the hope they would reverse the union. The'45 was always a long shot and really wishful thinking on Charles's part. The French probably would have given more support but it was difficult to supply Scotland because the Royal Navy was dominant in the North Sea and sunk or captured a few of their ships, putting them off further supply. The two big what ifs I think are what if the jacobites had sat in Edinburgh longer and consolidated scotland and raised a bigger army and the big, and not often spoken of, what if, what if they had attacked Cumberland's army as it was crossing the Spey (which they could have done) and very vulnerable, Culloden would have never happened and the Governemnt army would likely have been routed.
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It certainly wasn't as simple as Catholic v Protestant. Many Protestants actually supported Jacobitism because the fundamental argument wasn't religion but legitimism, they saw james as the lawful king and anyone else as an usurper. In Scotland too there was a sentimental attachment to the Stuarts and the hope they would reverse the union. The'45 was always a long shot and really wishful thinking on Charles's part. The French probably would have given more support but it was difficult to supply Scotland because the Royal Navy was dominant in the North Sea and sunk or captured a few of their ships, putting them off further supply. The two big what ifs I think are what if the jacobites had sat in Edinburgh longer and consolidated scotland and raised a bigger army and the big, and not often spoken of, what if, what if they had attacked Cumberland's army as it was crossing the Spey (which they could have done) and very vulnerable, Culloden would have never happened and the Governemnt army would likely have been routed.
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-anzukadotani8953
stuarts for the glory of scotland every time! 1746 was not the end! the story goes on, right to the present day, 1759 there was an attempt, in 1807, when charles brother, henry the 9th, died, the claim went to charles of sardina or charles 4th, by 1889 there was a neo jacobite movement, the restore queen maria theresa, by the ballots box this time, but this was unsuccessful, in 2015 Gordon Brown wanted to get rid of the act of settlement 1701, that prevents Roman Catholics on the throne of GB, but was stopped by orders from -above- why? thats because franz duke of baravia, frances 2nd, would have a claim to the uk throne, as long as the outdated act is in place, the the main line of the house of Stuart has no chance. BUT if scotland gets independence, then that hateful act is gone, allowing the scottish people a chance to have a Jacobite king/ queen again, so the story STILL is not finished, there may a final twist. wait and see. the main branch of the house of Stuart is still out there
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stuarts for the glory of scotland every time! 1746 was not the end! the story goes on, right to the present day, 1759 there was an attempt, in 1807, when charles brother, henry the 9th, died, the claim went to charles of sardina or charles 4th, by 1889 there was a neo jacobite movement, the restore queen maria theresa, by the ballots box this time, but this was unsuccessful, in 2015 Gordon Brown wanted to get rid of the act of settlement 1701, that prevents Roman Catholics on the throne of GB, but was stopped by orders from -above- why? thats because franz duke of baravia, frances 2nd, would have a claim to the uk throne, as long as the outdated act is in place, the the main line of the house of Stuart has no chance. BUT if scotland gets independence, then that hateful act is gone, allowing the scottish people a chance to have a Jacobite king/ queen again, so the story STILL is not finished, there may a final twist. wait and see. the main branch of the house of Stuart is still out there
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-Alex-zs7gw
Building on what others have said. I dont think its right to denote this as simply Scottish history.
There were MANY English protestants for example who wore the white Rose or stood over water when drinking beer
I reckon this is where we start to see individualism really make its defiant mark on stance and opinion, culminating in the huge variery of political opinions we all hold today.
Its fair to say theres evidence of complicated allegience prior to this (e. g. the war of the roses, Jane vs Mary, the Civil War. where it clearly isnt as simple as one side vs the other. But it feels like this is the first point in history where its much safer and easier to declare allegience conflicting with what would have been expected of your background
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Building on what others have said. I dont think its right to denote this as simply Scottish history.
There were MANY English protestants for example who wore the white Rose or stood over water when drinking beer
I reckon this is where we start to see individualism really make its defiant mark on stance and opinion, culminating in the huge variery of political opinions we all hold today.
Its fair to say theres evidence of complicated allegience prior to this (e. g. the war of the roses, Jane vs Mary, the Civil War. where it clearly isnt as simple as one side vs the other. But it feels like this is the first point in history where its much safer and easier to declare allegience conflicting with what would have been expected of your background
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-Knight860
The Jacobite's arguing that only God could chose who was King smacks of hypocrisy given the Stuarts only came to the English throne because of backroom dealings with William Cecil, yes James VI had a blood claim, but Anne Stanley was heir to Elizabeth I by Henry VIII's will. Henry Tudor came to rule due to trial by battle, fair enough in the Medieval context, but Henry Plantagenet came to power in England by way of the Treaty of Winchester. So the Jacobite's ignored history when it suited them.
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The Jacobite's arguing that only God could chose who was King smacks of hypocrisy given the Stuarts only came to the English throne because of backroom dealings with William Cecil, yes James VI had a blood claim, but Anne Stanley was heir to Elizabeth I by Henry VIII's will. Henry Tudor came to rule due to trial by battle, fair enough in the Medieval context, but Henry Plantagenet came to power in England by way of the Treaty of Winchester. So the Jacobite's ignored history when it suited them.
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-MrTerrorist
Basically the Jacobite rebellions wasn't really a war between Scots and English or between Catholics and Protestants, it was actually a British Civil War between those who supports the exile Stuarts and those who support the current Hanover reign. Furthermore the Highland clans, both Catholic and Protestant, had their own reasons to support the Stuarts or the Hanovers so it wasn't a surprise to see different clans of different beliefs join forces with the government or the rebels.
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Basically the Jacobite rebellions wasn't really a war between Scots and English or between Catholics and Protestants, it was actually a British Civil War between those who supports the exile Stuarts and those who support the current Hanover reign. Furthermore the Highland clans, both Catholic and Protestant, had their own reasons to support the Stuarts or the Hanovers so it wasn't a surprise to see different clans of different beliefs join forces with the government or the rebels.
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-jacobite1745
So many facts have been left out of this story. What about The immortal seven, The Bonnie Prince reaching Darby with the opportunity to take London, Jacobite means Follower of James, The Massacre of Glencoe (1692) and what caused it, The seven ill years, Who funded The Battle of the Boyne, what religion was the Blue Guard that fought there in 1690. and many many more.
These are important questions.
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So many facts have been left out of this story. What about The immortal seven, The Bonnie Prince reaching Darby with the opportunity to take London, Jacobite means Follower of James, The Massacre of Glencoe (1692) and what caused it, The seven ill years, Who funded The Battle of the Boyne, what religion was the Blue Guard that fought there in 1690. and many many more.
These are important questions.
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-themaskedman221
The framing of the Jacobite wars as -Protestant vs Catholic- is the British Isle theater of what's normally described as a period of -religious wars-. It's a typical example of why describing the wars of the 16th & 17th Century as -wars of religion- is deeply problematic -none of these conflicts had a clean-cut divide of Protestants and Catholics, and most were fundamentally political in nature.
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The framing of the Jacobite wars as -Protestant vs Catholic- is the British Isle theater of what's normally described as a period of -religious wars-. It's a typical example of why describing the wars of the 16th & 17th Century as -wars of religion- is deeply problematic -none of these conflicts had a clean-cut divide of Protestants and Catholics, and most were fundamentally political in nature.
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-daveh5947
You forgot to mention that James was William's Uncle and Father in Law!
James was the brother of William's mother!
William married his first Cousin. James's daughter.
James was a Cousin of Louis14 and James was fighting to get the Papacy to Versailles.
William's Army at the Battle of the Boyne was funded by the Pope and Archduke of Austria. it was a fight between the Pope and Louis14
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You forgot to mention that James was William's Uncle and Father in Law!
James was the brother of William's mother!
William married his first Cousin. James's daughter.
James was a Cousin of Louis14 and James was fighting to get the Papacy to Versailles.
William's Army at the Battle of the Boyne was funded by the Pope and Archduke of Austria. it was a fight between the Pope and Louis14
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-ralphowen3367
This supplies a big puzzle piece for me-thank you. It is too bad that Protestant America had to fight Protestant Britain some decades later, but I think God wanted something better for the colonies that infant baptism and hybrid Christianity. At least John Wesley was a preaching during this time and so, saving Britain from the terrors of the French Revolution ( as I have been told was the case.
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This supplies a big puzzle piece for me-thank you. It is too bad that Protestant America had to fight Protestant Britain some decades later, but I think God wanted something better for the colonies that infant baptism and hybrid Christianity. At least John Wesley was a preaching during this time and so, saving Britain from the terrors of the French Revolution ( as I have been told was the case.
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-MrLeoni2
If no one has mentioned it, that is the wrong wife of James when he was run out of Britain and Ireland. Anne Hyde is actually his first wife, the mother of the future Queens Mary II and Anne, and a confirmed Protestant. His wife when he ran to France and King Louis XIV was Mary of Modena, an Italian, Catholic, princess! His second wife.
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If no one has mentioned it, that is the wrong wife of James when he was run out of Britain and Ireland. Anne Hyde is actually his first wife, the mother of the future Queens Mary II and Anne, and a confirmed Protestant. His wife when he ran to France and King Louis XIV was Mary of Modena, an Italian, Catholic, princess! His second wife.
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knowledgia
This is probably the worst video I have watched on the subject. As a Scottish person it felt like it was someone reading off the back of a shortbread tin. The place pronunciations killed parts of my soul. I would like, however, to give credit for the pronunciation of Edinburgh.
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This is probably the worst video I have watched on the subject. As a Scottish person it felt like it was someone reading off the back of a shortbread tin. The place pronunciations killed parts of my soul. I would like, however, to give credit for the pronunciation of Edinburgh.
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-flabbybum9562
The Jacobites prevailed in most of the individual battles. But their weakness was they were never able to really drive home their advantage once gained. The British army under Cumberland, showed them how that is done at Culloden and the aftermath, and it wasn't pretty.
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The Jacobites prevailed in most of the individual battles. But their weakness was they were never able to really drive home their advantage once gained. The British army under Cumberland, showed them how that is done at Culloden and the aftermath, and it wasn't pretty.
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knowledgia
This is very inaccurate. James 2nd wife when he fled to france was mary of Modena not anne hyde. William of orange died in 1702 not in 1708 and you completely skipped over anne. Mary and william didnt pass the throne to george that was anne when she died. Poor video
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This is very inaccurate. James 2nd wife when he fled to france was mary of Modena not anne hyde. William of orange died in 1702 not in 1708 and you completely skipped over anne. Mary and william didnt pass the throne to george that was anne when she died. Poor video
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-GordOfThunder
Doesn't give much information about the march of the Highlanders into England, as they got as far down as Derby. Then turned back to Scotland and some clans dispersed back to their homes before being asked to assemble again to march to Culloden.
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Doesn't give much information about the march of the Highlanders into England, as they got as far down as Derby. Then turned back to Scotland and some clans dispersed back to their homes before being asked to assemble again to march to Culloden.
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-lerneanlion
Why didn't the royal family just go back the usual way of slicing a kingdom into two? I think in this case, it seemed to be what everyone wanted becuase it appeared to be a win-win scenario. Not to mention that there will be no rebellion as well.
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Why didn't the royal family just go back the usual way of slicing a kingdom into two? I think in this case, it seemed to be what everyone wanted becuase it appeared to be a win-win scenario. Not to mention that there will be no rebellion as well.
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-KevOSMusic
Thumbnail has an inaccuracy using the name: United Kingdom. UK didn't come into existence till 1801 with the Union of Great Britain and Ireland. Yes Ireland was under British control prior to this but there was no UK till this Act of Union.
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Thumbnail has an inaccuracy using the name: United Kingdom. UK didn't come into existence till 1801 with the Union of Great Britain and Ireland. Yes Ireland was under British control prior to this but there was no UK till this Act of Union.
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-harry9392
Pope Innocent XI may even have financially supported William of Orange in his campaigns against France, and he famously ordered the singing of a celebratory Te Deum in Rome when news arrived of William's victory over James at the Boyne.
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Pope Innocent XI may even have financially supported William of Orange in his campaigns against France, and he famously ordered the singing of a celebratory Te Deum in Rome when news arrived of William's victory over James at the Boyne.
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knowledgia
James ii (vii) did go into exile to France with his wife, but his wife at the time wasn't Anne Hyde as shown in the video. It would have been his second wife, Mary of Modena. Anne Hyde had died about 17 years earlier.
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James ii (vii) did go into exile to France with his wife, but his wife at the time wasn't Anne Hyde as shown in the video. It would have been his second wife, Mary of Modena. Anne Hyde had died about 17 years earlier.
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-dutchdwarfking
-Glorious revolution- more like seven nobles with little political power gave William of Orange a valid excuse to invade with 15000 men and turn England from a enemy to a ally of the Dutch republic
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-Glorious revolution- more like seven nobles with little political power gave William of Orange a valid excuse to invade with 15000 men and turn England from a enemy to a ally of the Dutch republic
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-garrofwar148
-Often viewed as a battle between Catholics and Protestants-
I've learned about and studied the Jacobite rebellion for years, and this is the first time I've ever heard this claim made. Wut?
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-Often viewed as a battle between Catholics and Protestants-
I've learned about and studied the Jacobite rebellion for years, and this is the first time I've ever heard this claim made. Wut?
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-EthanKnight97
-Bonnie Prince Charlie- was forced to retreat from Derby back to Scotland after hearing of mass government forces nearby without knowing this was misinformation.
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-Bonnie Prince Charlie- was forced to retreat from Derby back to Scotland after hearing of mass government forces nearby without knowing this was misinformation.
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-hadrianbird2645
Vi- count not vis- count, also not to be confused with Mr Vis-hi the inventor of the easy to see over garment that is used by labourers on building sites -
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Vi- count not vis- count, also not to be confused with Mr Vis-hi the inventor of the easy to see over garment that is used by labourers on building sites -
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-caesarplays3897
I have a letter from the campbells tp the jackobites from 1664 I-m away to take to a museum to get it looked at the seal will let me know who it-s from
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I have a letter from the campbells tp the jackobites from 1664 I-m away to take to a museum to get it looked at the seal will let me know who it-s from
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-billybobobenner
Pronounced Vye Count, not Viss Count. To your credit you pronounced Edinburgh well, which foxes many North Americans. Thanks for the history.
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Pronounced Vye Count, not Viss Count. To your credit you pronounced Edinburgh well, which foxes many North Americans. Thanks for the history.
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-twinmelodymusic
For a scholar u should make sure u get the correct pictures to represent the right individuals. Everyone knows King James was Black.
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For a scholar u should make sure u get the correct pictures to represent the right individuals. Everyone knows King James was Black.
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-johnpollock7952
A decent summary but missing a lot of information. It's especially noticeable when England and Britain are used interchangeably.
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A decent summary but missing a lot of information. It's especially noticeable when England and Britain are used interchangeably.
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-sirwelch9991
I admire both sides of James VI & I's descendants so you can only imagine the dilemma I have when looking at this part of history.
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I admire both sides of James VI & I's descendants so you can only imagine the dilemma I have when looking at this part of history.
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knowledgia
8: 03: Louis XIV died in 1715. so it must be Louis the 15th (similar error 7: 36 with a picture of Louis the 14th instead of 15th)
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8: 03: Louis XIV died in 1715. so it must be Louis the 15th (similar error 7: 36 with a picture of Louis the 14th instead of 15th)
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-MCorpReview
Y r Protestants always d good guys n Catholics always d bad guys? -William is so capable James jr is like trust fund toddler -
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Y r Protestants always d good guys n Catholics always d bad guys? -William is so capable James jr is like trust fund toddler -
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