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Will the World Starve this Winter?

Will the World Starve this Winter?

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Will the World Starve this Winter? LaNi a: A hundred years ago the UK was self-sufficient in fertiliser - 'night soil' was removed by early sewage systems and used to fertilise crops, Now we pay to import fertiliser, are dependent on outside players, and have to pay to process sewage before it can be released into waterways. Sometimes we pay for this and it doesn't even happen, raw sewage goes straight into the sea in populated areas. Yes water company shareholders are happy about this state of affairs, especially since it is technically illegal to process one's own excreta and harvest one's own rainwater. Maybe this war will push the cyclical agenda. I hope so.
Date: 2022-11-05

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Great video and insightful. I live in the UK and I realise that I can eat whatever I like that is healthy or if you like unhealthy junk food! Healthy in that oily fish or unprocessed grains or unhealthy if you like precision-engineered biscuits or junk food! Isn't that just crazy, I'm lucky I've always been in the golden mean ratio of constructive! However, the point you make on feeding the world is salient. That is to say, I know how my country has industrial agriculture in mind when it comes to decarbonising the world for NetZero carbon 2050! I'm thankful to find that the UK has a multi-decade western liberal strategy with the EU despite Brexit to deal with the global energy crisis at the root cause! Indeed, I would estimate that they are past the 50% completion and our UK side for 2024-2030 for a cost effective 2-10GW of energy(I read the actual energy and industrial strategy and encouraging that more will be considered. Indeed, I'm glad you mentioned fertilizer too for I found a great UK company that works to produce the world's largest electrolyser manufacturing that synergizes with the EU. For example, helping German companies to become world's largest electrolyzer producers themselves or Norway (the world's second largest nitrogen fertilizer exporter) to utilize their inexhaustible renewable resources instead of record natural gas with the Haber Bosch process with a viable pink/blue/green renewables! I've been building my own post industrial knowledge economy over these last 20 years since I came of age at the start of the millenium. For I am one of the first Millenials, you know that generational hypothesis that I take defacto the best! I've read what I call our joint UK-EU green fourth(quantum) industrial revolution which is credible, plausible and viable as a strategy. The best of of our western think-for-yourself! As a hybrid-joint public, private (supermajors and vehicular manufacturers) alongside best education/universities for a potential longest-ever global economic boom that puts the post WW2 to dust! I'm not a trained chemist but an inquisitive amateur and we can't be taken with complacency or hubris! I appreciate that we DO have what I call our nascent pragmatic pink/green/blue hydrogen economy with the most advanced constructive infrastructure to deal with this most salient point of your excellent video!
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Luckily I buy off-brand items but I'm still dishing out 20+% on food that I cook (not junk food) and 30+% on home fuel (and I keep my thermostat at 60, 64 at most if it goes below freezing outside. Retirement is not fun for the working class person. If you didn't buy in your younger years and pay off a house by the age of 60, you are screwed in this economic climate today. I'm barely making it, esp in winter months. Fleece is my friend in the house. Seldom patronize restaurants. No trips beyond the necessary by car. No traveling to see places. Thank goodness I moved to a very pretty place and lucked out with a cheap old house. Rural life is better than living in the cities. Here, the poor are still poor. But we at least feel relatively safe. Being older, that is a priority. However, if you are planning to come out to the land, please leave your public service taxation ideology where you came from. There is only so much a small community can afford. Once it goes too high, only the elitist crowd with their government pensions can afford to live here. The poor get shoved into the corners of the worst parts and into section-8 housing. Stay away from us. Live in the filth you've voted for. Thank you.
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We Indonesian may eat rice as our staple food. But, rice is not the only carbohydrate source that is available in our country without importing.
There is alot of carbs source you can find in indonesia. From corn to rice from cassava to taro sweet potato. Even if rice stock is runout, people could just easily switched to other carb source. We didn't do that for last few decades because rice is available, thus we treating other carbs source as side dish. If rice become rare, what is considered as side dish will become staple food.
There is alot of ways we will cook that carbs source, since we are made of more than 800 ethnicities, there is alot of cuisine and way to cook those non rice carbs source that we can choose
So, we won't that starve. Some will starve, mainly those who's not used to eat non rice as their staple food. But those who's used to it, will not stave. They can even get more weight

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Im gonna say that this map is largely ignoring other types of food production. New Zealand is listed as having higher food insecurity than the UK, yet NZ grows enough food to feed 40 million people while it only has a population of 5 million. The UK in comparison actually cant feed it self even if they put every single field to use growing basic crops. NZ creates mostly dairy, fruit, meat, bulbs and tubers, and does it with minimal fertilizer. I would hesitate to put much stock into this map and the conclusions drawn as it doesnt consider alternative sources of food other than grain - which most people in wealthy countries no longer depend on for the majority of their calories.
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This is the end result of the west's reckless food programs for the past half century with the poorer regions of the globe. WE subsidised so many teetering nations for so long, their populations exploded, far outstripping what their own caloric production was ever developed to handle.
Now, with global populations outside the first world nations so reliant on this constant flow for their much larger populations, the second that flow is severed, we are seeing a potential apocalyptic episode of famine.
Our ill thought out kindness had only led to far worse suffering in the long run. Mary forgive us.

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It's already started. but Global media handle distribution of data and information incredibly well and besides that, the poor don't have money to eat talk more of affording cable to watch TV or news.
The middle class if there is still any are too concerned are about there next paycheck to care about who is starving and who isn't.
The Rich keep selling to the Rich.
Despite all the fight between the US and China. food/agricultural exports and imports will continue between the 2 because they need to survive first before poor Africans and the rest.

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Brazil will no longer be able to export cattle or grains/beans, the Amazon forest gathers humidity from the Guiana level Atlantic ocean which is responsible for rain precipitation in all of soutwestern Brazil, filling its underground water reservoirs, however over the last couple of year the amazon has been decimated to the point of no return (collapse. Argentina is suffering from the same drought as well, and South America is bound to become desertical in a few years.
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The phosphate rich regions in morocco are located in uncontested areas north of the kingdom protected by the Atlas Mountains from the east the regions are: (khouribga, benguerir and youssoufia)
The sahara region is under moroccan control the people there consider them selves moroccan and their lands aren t empty.
For the phosphate extracted there it counts for a small portion of the nation s production
Thank you for the good content and Please do your research!

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3rd world in general - We are capable of our own rule and we will do it better then the colonial west, we hate the west and all it stands for - while accepting huuuge helpings of money and food to even sustain.
3rd world in crisis - help, we need the hated western food even more now - while continuously exploding in population
Is anyone really suprised that the reaction from The west is nah in the best case and let them starve in most cases?

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I love how this whole scenario assumes the West has already fallen. I don't mean that someone won't develop some magical new answer, but that someone is competent enough and the structures flexible enough that the world paradigm can be iterated on in reaction to the new situation and force the Mongol area to pay the price for their actions while the rest of the world thrives. Like what happened leading to its semi-collapse in the early 90s.
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The average person might not think about food much. I lived in Thailand and Vietnam, two countries with an abundance of foods. Then, I lived in Japan. It was a stark contrast. Not only were many fresh foods in Japan considerably more expensive, some of them just weren't available for purchase at all at many supermarkets. Think about the historical and cultural implications of such a scenario. Food and resources will be major topics again.
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the price of fertilizer is going down and a lot, Uk has been getting fertilizer imported from Barbados, I know it coud be sold proxy but that doesn't matter, the price was over 1000 pounds a ton but its dropped to less than 700, still expensive as it was 450 pounds a ton last year. we dont often buy it anyway as we produce most of our own fertilizer, with cow, chicken and sheep manure. Lets see what happens next!
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I think around this time next year is when sh t actually hits the fan. Everything hasn't lined up quite precisely for everything to go wrong in the next month. Also knowing human society there will probably be economic recessions hitting in the spring and general all-around negligence that will exacerbate the effects over the next year. But this is just my extremely cynical take.
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Before even watching you're video I want to say that I find it extremely unlikely that The Netherlands where I'm from will face starvation, we are one of the top agricultural exporters in the world despite our nations small size and from personal experience, this country exists out of 2 things, cities and farmlands, that's it. We won't be the ones starving
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