Is Digital Bolex RAW video worth the pricetag?
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Date: 2022-09-13
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chungdha
Have to say I rather get a 5D mark3 and hack that for raw at least you can also go way much beyond with the ISO without getting much noise. But have to say RAW is only useful if you film a movie or a high paid commercial. Most guys out there would be filming events and don't really need Raw as the demand of the costumers would not all need it as also the workflow takes much longer and clients rather have the output sooner than later. Plus if I would make a film I can rent it for the time as renting it still cost you less especially if you only need it for 5 days, unless you job is to film only films on a daily basis or the film would take you a whole year to film it then its worth buying it. But have to say its more the artist behind the camera than the camera itself which allot of people seem to forget, I have won several short film awards but allot people would not even watch my achievements or for who I have filmed, they only watch my equipment list and cause I am using a t2i they rather go for someone with a 7D or 5D mrk2.
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Have to say I rather get a 5D mark3 and hack that for raw at least you can also go way much beyond with the ISO without getting much noise. But have to say RAW is only useful if you film a movie or a high paid commercial. Most guys out there would be filming events and don't really need Raw as the demand of the costumers would not all need it as also the workflow takes much longer and clients rather have the output sooner than later. Plus if I would make a film I can rent it for the time as renting it still cost you less especially if you only need it for 5 days, unless you job is to film only films on a daily basis or the film would take you a whole year to film it then its worth buying it. But have to say its more the artist behind the camera than the camera itself which allot of people seem to forget, I have won several short film awards but allot people would not even watch my achievements or for who I have filmed, they only watch my equipment list and cause I am using a t2i they rather go for someone with a 7D or 5D mrk2.
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Riddhiman
Which digital cameras can convince me? - A digital camera whose raw footage looks and feels exactly like raw grainy film footage! As of today I do not like the un-organic, sterile, polished look of digital cameras as opposed to film footage. So, the perfect digital movie camera should try to emulate that film look in camera itself and produce organic looking video for those like me, who cannot afford to buy a film cinema camera or find film labs anymore. And to add an itch on the sore, modern DI process even makes pictures shot on film look like digital. Also, I want aspect ratio options as in film, like academy aperture 1. 33: 1 and maybe 2. 20: 1. I do not want to be stuck with only 1. 78: 1 ratio.
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Which digital cameras can convince me? - A digital camera whose raw footage looks and feels exactly like raw grainy film footage! As of today I do not like the un-organic, sterile, polished look of digital cameras as opposed to film footage. So, the perfect digital movie camera should try to emulate that film look in camera itself and produce organic looking video for those like me, who cannot afford to buy a film cinema camera or find film labs anymore. And to add an itch on the sore, modern DI process even makes pictures shot on film look like digital. Also, I want aspect ratio options as in film, like academy aperture 1. 33: 1 and maybe 2. 20: 1. I do not want to be stuck with only 1. 78: 1 ratio.
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Smeds
Yes, What he's meaning is how much colour info he has to work with in post. Since Shooting raw He has all of the info captured and has lot of room to grade the image. Where as Slr's and Camcorders shoot a compressed format resulting on a much lower colour info captured, this means its harder to retrieve colours in on a weaker codec like H. 264 where if to much correction is done your footage can begin to fall apart, still gradeable but not as good as RAW as being able to withstand much more abuse
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Yes, What he's meaning is how much colour info he has to work with in post. Since Shooting raw He has all of the info captured and has lot of room to grade the image. Where as Slr's and Camcorders shoot a compressed format resulting on a much lower colour info captured, this means its harder to retrieve colours in on a weaker codec like H. 264 where if to much correction is done your footage can begin to fall apart, still gradeable but not as good as RAW as being able to withstand much more abuse
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Jeffe
I really liked this episode, and I must say that in general Indy Mogul has inspired a renewed effort for this viewer to produce video content. Griffin, Russell--as well as Tuck, Jason and Chris--well, all of you rock. I look forward to seeing both of your film shorts, Russell and Griffin.
I have just started digging into the compendium archive of content Indy Mogul has amassed. and what a great resource for this beginning, aspiring filmmaker!
Keep it up team; this viewer enjoys it all!
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I really liked this episode, and I must say that in general Indy Mogul has inspired a renewed effort for this viewer to produce video content. Griffin, Russell--as well as Tuck, Jason and Chris--well, all of you rock. I look forward to seeing both of your film shorts, Russell and Griffin.
I have just started digging into the compendium archive of content Indy Mogul has amassed. and what a great resource for this beginning, aspiring filmmaker!
Keep it up team; this viewer enjoys it all!
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Daniel
In response to your question about RAW I feel like it parallels 4k video quite a bit. While it adds a great deal of freedom in post production (mostly fixing things you should have gotten right on set the first time) it won't really stand on practical merits until we find a better way to store the data and screen resolutions improve. In ten years both will likely be the standard even on cheaper cameras. If footing the bill personally I'd say rent when/if you need to be future proof for now.
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In response to your question about RAW I feel like it parallels 4k video quite a bit. While it adds a great deal of freedom in post production (mostly fixing things you should have gotten right on set the first time) it won't really stand on practical merits until we find a better way to store the data and screen resolutions improve. In ten years both will likely be the standard even on cheaper cameras. If footing the bill personally I'd say rent when/if you need to be future proof for now.
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HousecatRVA
I have a bmcc 2. 5k and am really happy. I am mostly interested in narrative story telling, so the 24 fps is cool with me. Film makers looking to have the experience of 35 mm camera will be disappointed with the smaller censor. I am perfectly content with making do with the smaller censor. The dynamic range and SSD system is enough to make me feel like I am in the future of low budget film making. The 4k will really be the big shift though. Either way, I will never regret the purchase.
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I have a bmcc 2. 5k and am really happy. I am mostly interested in narrative story telling, so the 24 fps is cool with me. Film makers looking to have the experience of 35 mm camera will be disappointed with the smaller censor. I am perfectly content with making do with the smaller censor. The dynamic range and SSD system is enough to make me feel like I am in the future of low budget film making. The 4k will really be the big shift though. Either way, I will never regret the purchase.
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lemmonsinmyeyes
The one thing I HATE about the bolex, is the body. It looks difficult to incoperate into pre-existing rigs. Or to add extra goodies to it (external monitor, batteries, on and on) I love how the RED systems you can attach things to the body its self, and even DSLRs have hot shoes and various other features that allow you to be more run and gun. The bolex on the other hand, just looks difficult. Granted the image and the features are great.
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The one thing I HATE about the bolex, is the body. It looks difficult to incoperate into pre-existing rigs. Or to add extra goodies to it (external monitor, batteries, on and on) I love how the RED systems you can attach things to the body its self, and even DSLRs have hot shoes and various other features that allow you to be more run and gun. The bolex on the other hand, just looks difficult. Granted the image and the features are great.
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ChesneyDigital
All that money and technical engineering- and it STILL looks like a cam-corder or security camera video, albeit an HD one. Why can't they grasp that? It's just not cinematic, and ruins the illusion you'd normally get when watching a film movie, and instead just feels like footage. I get exactly what I want from the 8mm iPhone app for $1. 99 now if I could just get some better hardware to go along with it.
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All that money and technical engineering- and it STILL looks like a cam-corder or security camera video, albeit an HD one. Why can't they grasp that? It's just not cinematic, and ruins the illusion you'd normally get when watching a film movie, and instead just feels like footage. I get exactly what I want from the 8mm iPhone app for $1. 99 now if I could just get some better hardware to go along with it.
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db67HH
To answer Russel's question: Cinema Cameras with Super35 sized Sensors would convince me, because I prefer to invest in Lenses I can also use for Full Frame Photography, especially since superfast crop lenses are so much more expensive than their Full Frame equivalents giving the same look at two stops slower. I simply believe in hundred years of both Film & Photography FullFrame traditions.
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To answer Russel's question: Cinema Cameras with Super35 sized Sensors would convince me, because I prefer to invest in Lenses I can also use for Full Frame Photography, especially since superfast crop lenses are so much more expensive than their Full Frame equivalents giving the same look at two stops slower. I simply believe in hundred years of both Film & Photography FullFrame traditions.
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Mika
Upgrading to a cinema camera is tempting for sure. All the video-oriented functions and RAW footage. Still, the pricetags are high and RAW for example makes everything more expensive, not just the camera. In the end a new camera isn't going to make you a better filmmaker, so I'm going to wait until my skills are at the level where the camera's image quality is my biggest drawback.
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Upgrading to a cinema camera is tempting for sure. All the video-oriented functions and RAW footage. Still, the pricetags are high and RAW for example makes everything more expensive, not just the camera. In the end a new camera isn't going to make you a better filmmaker, so I'm going to wait until my skills are at the level where the camera's image quality is my biggest drawback.
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adbVFX
What I want from a RAW or 2k/4k camera in $2000-$4000 range is good ergonomics (think NEX FS/VG camcorders, 5D mk3 can shoot 1080p raw (w/ Magic Lantern) but it's still a still camera foremost, Black Magic having cameras that are video only, but in a still picture style camera body is just bleh. and the Bolex D16 while being an awesome retro comeback design just isn't my thing.
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What I want from a RAW or 2k/4k camera in $2000-$4000 range is good ergonomics (think NEX FS/VG camcorders, 5D mk3 can shoot 1080p raw (w/ Magic Lantern) but it's still a still camera foremost, Black Magic having cameras that are video only, but in a still picture style camera body is just bleh. and the Bolex D16 while being an awesome retro comeback design just isn't my thing.
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2legit2quitz
this camera's never going to come out. very insecure company. all they had to do was release a firmware's if in fact it was about software optimization. where in reality I'm sure there were many hardware problems. it's like promoting a car, and every quarter within a 2 year span gets news updates that its safety is just about right but it definitely ''still'' go 180mph!
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this camera's never going to come out. very insecure company. all they had to do was release a firmware's if in fact it was about software optimization. where in reality I'm sure there were many hardware problems. it's like promoting a car, and every quarter within a 2 year span gets news updates that its safety is just about right but it definitely ''still'' go 180mph!
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Mladen
What I really would like for future dslrs to have is MORE dynamic range / latitude!
When a scene is properly lit then your don't need to push your midtones and shadows, which deteriorates picture quality more than anything else. But with dslrs and most of interchangeable lens cameras, in many cases, highlights and shadows are clipped, no matter what you do.
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What I really would like for future dslrs to have is MORE dynamic range / latitude!
When a scene is properly lit then your don't need to push your midtones and shadows, which deteriorates picture quality more than anything else. But with dslrs and most of interchangeable lens cameras, in many cases, highlights and shadows are clipped, no matter what you do.
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TPV
I think RAW video is more for Indy filmakers who have more time and space on there computer. For someone like myself doing projects at low low budgets I can't afford the extra steps/HD space in the workflow. I need to drop a clip right on the time line and edit without killing massive amounts of HD space.
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I think RAW video is more for Indy filmakers who have more time and space on there computer. For someone like myself doing projects at low low budgets I can't afford the extra steps/HD space in the workflow. I need to drop a clip right on the time line and edit without killing massive amounts of HD space.
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dphotos
I use Lightroom everyday with my still photography work flow. I highly recommend using Lightroom over Photoshop camera raw. It can color grade and sync RAW files better than Camera RAW. That is if you decide to process the file that way. Anyhow you will need lots of hard drive space with this camera.
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I use Lightroom everyday with my still photography work flow. I highly recommend using Lightroom over Photoshop camera raw. It can color grade and sync RAW files better than Camera RAW. That is if you decide to process the file that way. Anyhow you will need lots of hard drive space with this camera.
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Jayson
In addition to our 5D 2's and 3's, my crew has both a Black Magic Cinema Camera and a Red Scarlet. They all have their own strengths, weaknesses, and individual uses. The color grading capability is AWESOME with the raw cameras, as is the low-light usefulness.
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In addition to our 5D 2's and 3's, my crew has both a Black Magic Cinema Camera and a Red Scarlet. They all have their own strengths, weaknesses, and individual uses. The color grading capability is AWESOME with the raw cameras, as is the low-light usefulness.
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Jay
Yea i agree. I just bought a GH3 and love it. The one thing that would make me want to upgrade to a GH4 if its released next year is more bit rate options and raw video. I could care less for 4k. Unless im trying to future proof something.
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Yea i agree. I just bought a GH3 and love it. The one thing that would make me want to upgrade to a GH4 if its released next year is more bit rate options and raw video. I could care less for 4k. Unless im trying to future proof something.
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randomgeocacher
Had the BMPCC for a week. Very happy about the image quality and how well Premiere+Filmconvert handles it. For long shoots don't leave it unattended on a tripod; the battery is consumed in just over an hour.
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Had the BMPCC for a week. Very happy about the image quality and how well Premiere+Filmconvert handles it. For long shoots don't leave it unattended on a tripod; the battery is consumed in just over an hour.
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thejerrymobile
Huh. They always seem to be doing that; the only problem is that their small trial run you're invited! e-mail is usually indistinguishable from their wide-release you're invited! e-mail. So I can never tell!
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Huh. They always seem to be doing that; the only problem is that their small trial run you're invited! e-mail is usually indistinguishable from their wide-release you're invited! e-mail. So I can never tell!
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Reggie
The cinema camera looks very interesting, although I rather check out the pocket cinema camera or the sony fs100, for my budget! Great news Griffin, looking forward to the release of the Siracha Documentary!
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The cinema camera looks very interesting, although I rather check out the pocket cinema camera or the sony fs100, for my budget! Great news Griffin, looking forward to the release of the Siracha Documentary!
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