Intel DG1 Xe GPU & Our Sneaky Benchmark: Mixed First Impressions
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Date: 2020-05-06
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Greg
I don't understand why everybody is so negative about this. If, right now, Intel can swing 35fps 1080p Destiny 2 on a probable FPGA/ASIC hybrid, literally held together by tape, or so I've read (or maybe I heard that from your videos, that's significant progress! Consider where AMD was 5 years after the ATI acquisition, by way of comparison: that was 2011, so the HD6000 era, or something like that. But AMD's acquired-IP-starting-point was far, far closer to big-boy-pants-league at acquisition-time than Broadwell iGPUs were in 2016 (allowing the same 4-5 years development time! What does the tech press expect to happen, especially with Intel's widely reported fabrication drought scarce-ing up all the space-suit guys?
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I don't understand why everybody is so negative about this. If, right now, Intel can swing 35fps 1080p Destiny 2 on a probable FPGA/ASIC hybrid, literally held together by tape, or so I've read (or maybe I heard that from your videos, that's significant progress! Consider where AMD was 5 years after the ATI acquisition, by way of comparison: that was 2011, so the HD6000 era, or something like that. But AMD's acquired-IP-starting-point was far, far closer to big-boy-pants-league at acquisition-time than Broadwell iGPUs were in 2016 (allowing the same 4-5 years development time! What does the tech press expect to happen, especially with Intel's widely reported fabrication drought scarce-ing up all the space-suit guys?
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Comanglia
Latency doesn't sound that surprising given the frame rate you're at. I'm going to assume Intel has a frame buffer of 3 since that had by and large been default for Nvidia and in some cases AMD. If the fps really was say 42fps that's nearly 70ms of latency just right there. Using a wireless controller especially one that wasn't designed to be super low latency I'd assume would be at least 10ms more. Combine that with a high latency display and we could be looking at 110ms latency or even more. Then we have game engine processing delay which may give 20+ ms of latency on it's own if you dont select a low latency option. So a good guess would be anywhere from 120 to 160ms of latency
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Latency doesn't sound that surprising given the frame rate you're at. I'm going to assume Intel has a frame buffer of 3 since that had by and large been default for Nvidia and in some cases AMD. If the fps really was say 42fps that's nearly 70ms of latency just right there. Using a wireless controller especially one that wasn't designed to be super low latency I'd assume would be at least 10ms more. Combine that with a high latency display and we could be looking at 110ms latency or even more. Then we have game engine processing delay which may give 20+ ms of latency on it's own if you dont select a low latency option. So a good guess would be anywhere from 120 to 160ms of latency
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Christos
Let's hope intel gets its act together, soon, because this display is actually much, much worse than the maligned i740 was, compared to its competition at the time. With i740 you got Riva128 performance while nVidia was about to release the RivaTNT. Intel was hardly a year-and-a-half behind cutting edge contemporary technology. This - admittedly early - sample is lagging a friggin decade to what the competition is offering. This is a discrete card that's lagging actual iGPUs from AMD. We didn't expect intel to come swinging out of the door with RTX 2080-busting GPUs, but if they can't even match a Geforce 1050, this is an unmitigated disaster.
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Let's hope intel gets its act together, soon, because this display is actually much, much worse than the maligned i740 was, compared to its competition at the time. With i740 you got Riva128 performance while nVidia was about to release the RivaTNT. Intel was hardly a year-and-a-half behind cutting edge contemporary technology. This - admittedly early - sample is lagging a friggin decade to what the competition is offering. This is a discrete card that's lagging actual iGPUs from AMD. We didn't expect intel to come swinging out of the door with RTX 2080-busting GPUs, but if they can't even match a Geforce 1050, this is an unmitigated disaster.
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Acid001
So far, I'm not really a fan of this foldable screen tech. When it's straightened and sat upright, I can see a crease in the middle and I would find that highly annoying to look at. It'd be really cool if the could iron out that kink with the screen. Not even interested in the Intel GPU performance numbers yet. Driver optimizations and hardware specs are obviously going to change the performance once it's released. I don't really expect them to come out with anything that is competitive to Nvidia or AMD. I think that'll come by the 2nd or 3rd gen of GPUs.
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So far, I'm not really a fan of this foldable screen tech. When it's straightened and sat upright, I can see a crease in the middle and I would find that highly annoying to look at. It'd be really cool if the could iron out that kink with the screen. Not even interested in the Intel GPU performance numbers yet. Driver optimizations and hardware specs are obviously going to change the performance once it's released. I don't really expect them to come out with anything that is competitive to Nvidia or AMD. I think that'll come by the 2nd or 3rd gen of GPUs.
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Anthony
I really like the look of the DG1. It's very small, with what looks to be a metal enclosure that probably sinks some real heat. It makes a very pleasant change to the cheap plastic behemoths that AMD and Nvidia offer. The NUC looks good too, with such a small case having full double mesh sides. Performance remains to be seen, but Intel already seems to be good at chassis design. Also: It's rare to see Steve just talking to the camera for a video, basically. I like it.
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I really like the look of the DG1. It's very small, with what looks to be a metal enclosure that probably sinks some real heat. It makes a very pleasant change to the cheap plastic behemoths that AMD and Nvidia offer. The NUC looks good too, with such a small case having full double mesh sides. Performance remains to be seen, but Intel already seems to be good at chassis design. Also: It's rare to see Steve just talking to the camera for a video, basically. I like it.
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Marc
Intel is welcome to the desktopsegment. The more players the closer and harder the competitio wich could lower prices if they cane come close to the others and compete. So they got the power and know how. But the best ladies and gentlemen they can produce theirselfes. AMD and NV let others produce their stuff. So lets hope for some technically easter eggs: ). tiks or was it toks. Wait they already sellin old stuff 22nm as new cpus. A never mind. Its goooooooood. ;)
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Intel is welcome to the desktopsegment. The more players the closer and harder the competitio wich could lower prices if they cane come close to the others and compete. So they got the power and know how. But the best ladies and gentlemen they can produce theirselfes. AMD and NV let others produce their stuff. So lets hope for some technically easter eggs: ). tiks or was it toks. Wait they already sellin old stuff 22nm as new cpus. A never mind. Its goooooooood. ;)
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Defrost
The B-Roll footage you used looks like it's from the Introduction Mission to Destiny 1, not Destiny 2. Destiny 2 starts with a raid against The Last City, while Destiny 1 starts in a Russian Cosmodrome, which is what is shown. Just a heads up, meaning this could possibly be worse than we were led to believe. Not trying to villanize or antagonize anyone, just want to set the record straight.
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The B-Roll footage you used looks like it's from the Introduction Mission to Destiny 1, not Destiny 2. Destiny 2 starts with a raid against The Last City, while Destiny 1 starts in a Russian Cosmodrome, which is what is shown. Just a heads up, meaning this could possibly be worse than we were led to believe. Not trying to villanize or antagonize anyone, just want to set the record straight.
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Meteor
This says literally nothing about the performance of the upcoming dedicated GPUs. The DG1 Xe is a developer kit to get first hands-on experience with the new Xe architecture. Its not intended to deliver high framerate performance, its not even intended for play testing at all. So if Intel claims that the drivers aren't optimized, I suppose theres no reason not to believe them.
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This says literally nothing about the performance of the upcoming dedicated GPUs. The DG1 Xe is a developer kit to get first hands-on experience with the new Xe architecture. Its not intended to deliver high framerate performance, its not even intended for play testing at all. So if Intel claims that the drivers aren't optimized, I suppose theres no reason not to believe them.
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Patchuchan
Looking at those numbers maybe Imagine Technologies known for the PowerVR lines should consider reentering the desktop GPU market as they probably could match those or exceeded those numbers with an upclocked more parallel version their Furian or Alboirex family GPUs and still stay with on the power requirements of a PCE-e slot.
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Looking at those numbers maybe Imagine Technologies known for the PowerVR lines should consider reentering the desktop GPU market as they probably could match those or exceeded those numbers with an upclocked more parallel version their Furian or Alboirex family GPUs and still stay with on the power requirements of a PCE-e slot.
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Wh0_Am_
One thing to note as neither the game nor the drivers (probably I mean it is possible with current Iris graphics that I am wrong) have yet to be optimized for this new architecture, (as probably most solidly demonstrated by the lag) we may yet see a doubling or tripling of performance and a halving of lag as the platform matures.
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One thing to note as neither the game nor the drivers (probably I mean it is possible with current Iris graphics that I am wrong) have yet to be optimized for this new architecture, (as probably most solidly demonstrated by the lag) we may yet see a doubling or tripling of performance and a halving of lag as the platform matures.
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