AMD is a Mess: Radeon RX 7600 GPU Review & Benchmarks
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Date: 2023-05-24
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Diner50
Na this is not good enough of a review. The 4060Ti was quite obvious when compared to the 3060Ti. This excuse of a card is even worse.
Bring in the RX 6700 10GB. Bring in the RX 5700xt 8GB. Bring in the RX 6650xt or the 200 RX 6500's. And when at it put in a RX 580 8GB or just a RX 570 4GB for flavor.
Do some inflation math to shut people up. Just a short example. Today the RX 580 8GB is around 300 in 2023 dollars. And the RX 570 4GB is around 215. If you upgrade from a RX 570 4GB? Then you get 100% more vram. 100% more raster if not more. But you bus width and increase power usage by about 30%? And then your still paying effectively 50 more! After 7 YEARS of so called advancement in tech.
Last time you where able to 2x VRAM and raster was the RX 5700xt 8GB. It launched for 400 mind you. (but with the right bus size) That was in 2019. 3 years into owning that RX 570 4GB. Now we are 7 years into it and your still not able to spend RX 570 4GB money for a new 2x better card?
Do a P/P inflation fixed comparison on RX 5000, RX 6000 and the RX 7000 card that is not even using 5nm! Then kill this hole conversation off with a PS5. 400 for a 1TB ssd. RX 5700xt 12GB. Zen2 8 core Ryzen. Using 7nm if not even 6nm at this point. And yet AMD is happy to sell console makers there silicon to Xbox and Sony for so little money! How do we know that? Look at the PS5 and Xbox price. 400.
But not Radeon! No no no! We are paying 5nm prices even when the card is not even using 5nm and complex gluing together cache and stuff to save on 5nm use. It is strait up the cheap stuff. And VERY little of it. I'm not surprised if the RX 7900xxtttxxx uses as much cache silicon as this RX 7500xt 8GB uses as the main die. That is how cheap the RX 7500xt 8GB is!
28nm was first used in HD7000. Then 28nm was used in Radeon 200. Then Radeon 300. And Radeon 300 was FAR cheaper by like 200 and at the same time used at least 30% more silicon then the HD7000's. But it was a hot card! Like this RX 7500xt 8GB.
Between 2015-2017 the 28nm silicon moved from a expensive 200mm2 die to a 430mm2 die for almost a 30% MSRP cut. 3 years made that happen. Competition made that happen.
Now we have RX 5700xt 8GB (2019), RX 6700 10GB (2020/2021), And today half way into 2023 we get RX 7500xt 8GB. All this cards are 7nm. Not only is this card a RX 200 rebrand. It also is on a price optimized 7nm making the silicon cost FAR lower then the RX 300. The 204mm2 on this card is a joke. 6nm is a price saving tactic. 128bit bus is a price saving tactic. 8GB vram is a joke when we are no longer in shortages and memory makers are selling this stuff almost at cost now. They are struggling to stay afloat! And AMD cards are using CHEAP Vram.
This card is not 5nm like NV 4060. This card is at best 200. 8GB DOA. And the price cutting here is disgusting. And you can not even retire this card later into a old system! Since you basically need PCIE4.0 due to the 128bit bus. So this is strictly for a MODERN computer. And your still paying far more then just getting a PS5 for 400! You even get a controller buying a console. But in PC land you get broken burning ass releases. In software and in hardware.
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Na this is not good enough of a review. The 4060Ti was quite obvious when compared to the 3060Ti. This excuse of a card is even worse.
Bring in the RX 6700 10GB. Bring in the RX 5700xt 8GB. Bring in the RX 6650xt or the 200 RX 6500's. And when at it put in a RX 580 8GB or just a RX 570 4GB for flavor.
Do some inflation math to shut people up. Just a short example. Today the RX 580 8GB is around 300 in 2023 dollars. And the RX 570 4GB is around 215. If you upgrade from a RX 570 4GB? Then you get 100% more vram. 100% more raster if not more. But you bus width and increase power usage by about 30%? And then your still paying effectively 50 more! After 7 YEARS of so called advancement in tech.
Last time you where able to 2x VRAM and raster was the RX 5700xt 8GB. It launched for 400 mind you. (but with the right bus size) That was in 2019. 3 years into owning that RX 570 4GB. Now we are 7 years into it and your still not able to spend RX 570 4GB money for a new 2x better card?
Do a P/P inflation fixed comparison on RX 5000, RX 6000 and the RX 7000 card that is not even using 5nm! Then kill this hole conversation off with a PS5. 400 for a 1TB ssd. RX 5700xt 12GB. Zen2 8 core Ryzen. Using 7nm if not even 6nm at this point. And yet AMD is happy to sell console makers there silicon to Xbox and Sony for so little money! How do we know that? Look at the PS5 and Xbox price. 400.
But not Radeon! No no no! We are paying 5nm prices even when the card is not even using 5nm and complex gluing together cache and stuff to save on 5nm use. It is strait up the cheap stuff. And VERY little of it. I'm not surprised if the RX 7900xxtttxxx uses as much cache silicon as this RX 7500xt 8GB uses as the main die. That is how cheap the RX 7500xt 8GB is!
28nm was first used in HD7000. Then 28nm was used in Radeon 200. Then Radeon 300. And Radeon 300 was FAR cheaper by like 200 and at the same time used at least 30% more silicon then the HD7000's. But it was a hot card! Like this RX 7500xt 8GB.
Between 2015-2017 the 28nm silicon moved from a expensive 200mm2 die to a 430mm2 die for almost a 30% MSRP cut. 3 years made that happen. Competition made that happen.
Now we have RX 5700xt 8GB (2019), RX 6700 10GB (2020/2021), And today half way into 2023 we get RX 7500xt 8GB. All this cards are 7nm. Not only is this card a RX 200 rebrand. It also is on a price optimized 7nm making the silicon cost FAR lower then the RX 300. The 204mm2 on this card is a joke. 6nm is a price saving tactic. 128bit bus is a price saving tactic. 8GB vram is a joke when we are no longer in shortages and memory makers are selling this stuff almost at cost now. They are struggling to stay afloat! And AMD cards are using CHEAP Vram.
This card is not 5nm like NV 4060. This card is at best 200. 8GB DOA. And the price cutting here is disgusting. And you can not even retire this card later into a old system! Since you basically need PCIE4.0 due to the 128bit bus. So this is strictly for a MODERN computer. And your still paying far more then just getting a PS5 for 400! You even get a controller buying a console. But in PC land you get broken burning ass releases. In software and in hardware.
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Jake
You know sometimes a shart happens... It can happen anywhere, anytime.. you're never prepared for it but with a calm head and some training.. the inevitable Rube Goldberg effect of chaos can be prevented anywhere from one to 14 steps down the chain ladder of unfortunate Domino's that you've now set in place.. remember.. it's not the noise of the shart that attracts attention and eventually gives up the goose.. rather a series of bad decisions made in panic that are the difference between walking out the front door at a medium to brisk pace.. only raising an inkling in the trap turnstile with the front office secretary before smoothly making it to the back alley.. or rolling in the floor and crying and just letting it all go... Leading to eight people's deaths.. and forced arbitration.. let's see how AMD pulls off this ultimate challenge of the ultimate cool... Clearly they've already Shart... The true test is what happens next!
Yes, maxi pads are the technical equivalent of the rocket launcher in resident evil.. but if you were thinking that far ahead you'd be a much cooler cat then ATI.. clearly this one might not be as easy as it probably should be..
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You know sometimes a shart happens... It can happen anywhere, anytime.. you're never prepared for it but with a calm head and some training.. the inevitable Rube Goldberg effect of chaos can be prevented anywhere from one to 14 steps down the chain ladder of unfortunate Domino's that you've now set in place.. remember.. it's not the noise of the shart that attracts attention and eventually gives up the goose.. rather a series of bad decisions made in panic that are the difference between walking out the front door at a medium to brisk pace.. only raising an inkling in the trap turnstile with the front office secretary before smoothly making it to the back alley.. or rolling in the floor and crying and just letting it all go... Leading to eight people's deaths.. and forced arbitration.. let's see how AMD pulls off this ultimate challenge of the ultimate cool... Clearly they've already Shart... The true test is what happens next!
Yes, maxi pads are the technical equivalent of the rocket launcher in resident evil.. but if you were thinking that far ahead you'd be a much cooler cat then ATI.. clearly this one might not be as easy as it probably should be..
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JanA
TL; DR: Manufacturers during Corona: Holy crap they'll actually pay that much?!? After: Let's get more of that ourselves and go for starting at a higher MSRP! Now: Uh, this is not going well.. Dial back!
But I suppose the reality is that they're governed to some degree by how economic reports and stock markets work. I believe they fear a much lower turnaround than for the previous generation will be reported as profits taking a nose dive in economic news which would severely damage their shares. They know they can't get away with too much fleecing, but at the same time they have to show their shareholders that they tried. Being forced to back down to whatever the market accepts is acceptable on the annual reports while being perceived as not trying to take advantage would be bad. So in a sense it isn't just corporate greed but also stock market necessities. .. Not saying this excuses anything, just that nothing else could be expected.
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TL; DR: Manufacturers during Corona: Holy crap they'll actually pay that much?!? After: Let's get more of that ourselves and go for starting at a higher MSRP! Now: Uh, this is not going well.. Dial back!
But I suppose the reality is that they're governed to some degree by how economic reports and stock markets work. I believe they fear a much lower turnaround than for the previous generation will be reported as profits taking a nose dive in economic news which would severely damage their shares. They know they can't get away with too much fleecing, but at the same time they have to show their shareholders that they tried. Being forced to back down to whatever the market accepts is acceptable on the annual reports while being perceived as not trying to take advantage would be bad. So in a sense it isn't just corporate greed but also stock market necessities. .. Not saying this excuses anything, just that nothing else could be expected.
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Bunta1987
While it is a price drop from the 6600, the 5600xt launched at 279. The 5700xt launched for 400. If the 7600xt could launch near 300 and have 12GB of vram, it would be excellent. It would also be nice if the 7700xt could launch near the 400 msrp that the 5700xt had, it would also be great. The problem is them moving the pricing up per tier, and cutting the performance down vs the flagships. The 5700xt and 2070s were about 75% of the performance of the 2080ti, and had 73% of its vram. The 4070ti is 63% of the performance of a 4090, with 50% of the vram, at 800 vs the 500 of the 2070s and 3070, or the 600 msrp of the 3070ti. Performance gen on gen per cores is definitely up, but they re cutting things so much once you re below the flagship that the performance improvement seems small. Just ranting at this point. I hope the prices come down further.
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While it is a price drop from the 6600, the 5600xt launched at 279. The 5700xt launched for 400. If the 7600xt could launch near 300 and have 12GB of vram, it would be excellent. It would also be nice if the 7700xt could launch near the 400 msrp that the 5700xt had, it would also be great. The problem is them moving the pricing up per tier, and cutting the performance down vs the flagships. The 5700xt and 2070s were about 75% of the performance of the 2080ti, and had 73% of its vram. The 4070ti is 63% of the performance of a 4090, with 50% of the vram, at 800 vs the 500 of the 2070s and 3070, or the 600 msrp of the 3070ti. Performance gen on gen per cores is definitely up, but they re cutting things so much once you re below the flagship that the performance improvement seems small. Just ranting at this point. I hope the prices come down further.
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Samus
I have to disagree that this was bad for consumers. Yes it was bad for you and others in media, but it in no way changes your benchmarks, (the price drop). If anything this was good for consumers. I would agree that it would have been bad for consumers if this was back in the day when GPUs sold day one and then there was no more stock. But in todays market no one is buying day one and thus your lack of solid information in no way is impacting us consumers as we will be waiting to purchase. The price drop from 300 to 270 was very smart on AMDs side as they have seen the dismal market for GPUs. Every GPU on the market is dropping prices or offering incentives to purchase.
I would say in this instance your troubles do not translate to our troubles.
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I have to disagree that this was bad for consumers. Yes it was bad for you and others in media, but it in no way changes your benchmarks, (the price drop). If anything this was good for consumers. I would agree that it would have been bad for consumers if this was back in the day when GPUs sold day one and then there was no more stock. But in todays market no one is buying day one and thus your lack of solid information in no way is impacting us consumers as we will be waiting to purchase. The price drop from 300 to 270 was very smart on AMDs side as they have seen the dismal market for GPUs. Every GPU on the market is dropping prices or offering incentives to purchase.
I would say in this instance your troubles do not translate to our troubles.
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Ghimmy
I have an impossible dream! Just came to me: One chart comparing Nvidia cards for Top of the Heap, Sweet spot performance for price and Lowest price for light gaming. Then ANOTHER chart doing the same for AMD. Add in Intel Arc when they have something to offer. THEN ... Compare them side by side for performance, price and etc. I keep seeing apples, oranges and cantalopes and it's confusing and too fast to pull a choice from. THEN ... (since plenty of screen space is left) the price range for these cards from different brands. YaY! My shopping is done! Now I can look for the best deal from my fanboy card maker and seller! NO ONE will dare purcase without consulting that guy from NC.
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I have an impossible dream! Just came to me: One chart comparing Nvidia cards for Top of the Heap, Sweet spot performance for price and Lowest price for light gaming. Then ANOTHER chart doing the same for AMD. Add in Intel Arc when they have something to offer. THEN ... Compare them side by side for performance, price and etc. I keep seeing apples, oranges and cantalopes and it's confusing and too fast to pull a choice from. THEN ... (since plenty of screen space is left) the price range for these cards from different brands. YaY! My shopping is done! Now I can look for the best deal from my fanboy card maker and seller! NO ONE will dare purcase without consulting that guy from NC.
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Mopantsu
Makes me wonder what they have planned with the 7700XT and 7800XT. Maybe they won't bother releasing them at all or aim them squarely at the 4060 Ti (Really a 4050 Ti) as 12 and 16GB GPU's at 400 and 500 respectively. Hard to tell what these companies are doing right now it's such a mess. Nvidia don't seem to care as they have AI to lean on. AMD on the other hand don't seem to want to compete at all. Perhaps AMD saw how they are overstocked with 6000 series and decided not to even bother this generation. Especially since the 7900XTX underperforms relative to the 4090 halo product.
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Makes me wonder what they have planned with the 7700XT and 7800XT. Maybe they won't bother releasing them at all or aim them squarely at the 4060 Ti (Really a 4050 Ti) as 12 and 16GB GPU's at 400 and 500 respectively. Hard to tell what these companies are doing right now it's such a mess. Nvidia don't seem to care as they have AI to lean on. AMD on the other hand don't seem to want to compete at all. Perhaps AMD saw how they are overstocked with 6000 series and decided not to even bother this generation. Especially since the 7900XTX underperforms relative to the 4090 halo product.
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redmacechaosborn
It's a good generation over generation jump. However not the nVidia killer we hoped for. I don't understand why they keep with these 8GB cards in 2023, memory is not that expensive and games are already choking on them. When someone as dense as I can see they are literally trying to get away with the lowest quality they can for the price point still when they need to be doing the exact opposite to gain dominance, you have problems. Fumble team AMD. Lets see if nVidia responds with a massive price cut, like 50 or more across the board. It would be a clear game changer
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It's a good generation over generation jump. However not the nVidia killer we hoped for. I don't understand why they keep with these 8GB cards in 2023, memory is not that expensive and games are already choking on them. When someone as dense as I can see they are literally trying to get away with the lowest quality they can for the price point still when they need to be doing the exact opposite to gain dominance, you have problems. Fumble team AMD. Lets see if nVidia responds with a massive price cut, like 50 or more across the board. It would be a clear game changer
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Mughug
Sounds like success is going to AMD's head which is clearly suffering from a failing 'superego' leading to the mdical conditions of Macrocephaly and Enlarged Ego, just like Nvidia does. Those conditions seem to lead to such psychological corporate anti-social behaviour. Demonstrates that brand loyalty is ill-advised as a brand will always kick its customer base in the teeth when the brand gets too complacent from success. Customers clearly have to be as mercenary as the brands and just go with the best deal at the time, regardless who provides it. And I was a loyal AMD fan!!!
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Sounds like success is going to AMD's head which is clearly suffering from a failing 'superego' leading to the mdical conditions of Macrocephaly and Enlarged Ego, just like Nvidia does. Those conditions seem to lead to such psychological corporate anti-social behaviour. Demonstrates that brand loyalty is ill-advised as a brand will always kick its customer base in the teeth when the brand gets too complacent from success. Customers clearly have to be as mercenary as the brands and just go with the best deal at the time, regardless who provides it. And I was a loyal AMD fan!!!
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GraveUypo
Mind if i make a suggestion? I've always thought 0.1% lows are a completely useless metric. for it to have any relevancy, you'd need to run a 6 hour benchmark on every game. a 1 minute benchmark running at 100fps will net you a total of 6000 frames, 0.1% of that is 6 frames. what use is measuring the 6 worst frame transition times among 6000? a one-frame chug will more likely than not be the game engine's fault, not the gpu's, and will happen across the board.
So, what if you replaced that with a value bar? Like cost/frame. that is a much more useful metric.
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Mind if i make a suggestion? I've always thought 0.1% lows are a completely useless metric. for it to have any relevancy, you'd need to run a 6 hour benchmark on every game. a 1 minute benchmark running at 100fps will net you a total of 6000 frames, 0.1% of that is 6 frames. what use is measuring the 6 worst frame transition times among 6000? a one-frame chug will more likely than not be the game engine's fault, not the gpu's, and will happen across the board.
So, what if you replaced that with a value bar? Like cost/frame. that is a much more useful metric.
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Swamp
I wonder if the entire industry is about to find something out. It's something I've wondered about for a good ten years now. Once the gaming-driven gpu replacement cycle is broken, isn't the whole PC replacement cycle broken. And is that time now? I don't particularly need or want new mobos, cpus, OSes, or office suites (those things just come along for the ride with new gpus). My old laptop, running linux, with open office is fine. If I don't buy a new gpu for gaming, I don't buy any other components either. It doesn't matter, unless I represent the majority.
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I wonder if the entire industry is about to find something out. It's something I've wondered about for a good ten years now. Once the gaming-driven gpu replacement cycle is broken, isn't the whole PC replacement cycle broken. And is that time now? I don't particularly need or want new mobos, cpus, OSes, or office suites (those things just come along for the ride with new gpus). My old laptop, running linux, with open office is fine. If I don't buy a new gpu for gaming, I don't buy any other components either. It doesn't matter, unless I represent the majority.
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nICkY2099108
Beleive me, I am not a hater, but you started out the video negatively, and then you your pace of explaining numbers was too much, I lost any real interest in the video. You can show your criticism or opinion at the end but to start something negatively. You lose your views. I bet the people commenting and or interested in watching are mostly spice lovers but I didn't like this one today. Honest opinion, just bored me the graph of numbers stashed was also unbearable. Too much information in a slide
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Beleive me, I am not a hater, but you started out the video negatively, and then you your pace of explaining numbers was too much, I lost any real interest in the video. You can show your criticism or opinion at the end but to start something negatively. You lose your views. I bet the people commenting and or interested in watching are mostly spice lovers but I didn't like this one today. Honest opinion, just bored me the graph of numbers stashed was also unbearable. Too much information in a slide
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Romario
Well, it's definitely not a 4060 TI level of failure. It is a better video card than its predecessor, cheaper than it's predecessor. Especially considering that amd is known for making performance boosts with newer drivers. Nothing is said about overclocking potential of this card wich is a bummer because RDNA3 should be able of reaching 3Ghz clocks. With that said, what they are really need to do is to announce a 12/16 gb RX7600XT (with 36-40 compute units) for 320-350USD.
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Well, it's definitely not a 4060 TI level of failure. It is a better video card than its predecessor, cheaper than it's predecessor. Especially considering that amd is known for making performance boosts with newer drivers. Nothing is said about overclocking potential of this card wich is a bummer because RDNA3 should be able of reaching 3Ghz clocks. With that said, what they are really need to do is to announce a 12/16 gb RX7600XT (with 36-40 compute units) for 320-350USD.
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DeinonychusCowboy
The timing re computex really sucks, but I dunno if a post-competitor-launch last minute price cut deserves the interpretation AMD needs to get it together . Way better than a price cut a week after launch, and way better than no price cut. I sympathize with GN and the rest of the press trying to make a decent video, but ultimately this is a good thing, AMD and nvidia are competing at the low end (kinda...) and I think that should be the main message here.
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The timing re computex really sucks, but I dunno if a post-competitor-launch last minute price cut deserves the interpretation AMD needs to get it together . Way better than a price cut a week after launch, and way better than no price cut. I sympathize with GN and the rest of the press trying to make a decent video, but ultimately this is a good thing, AMD and nvidia are competing at the low end (kinda...) and I think that should be the main message here.
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drewdane40
Love all of your work Steve, but this one isn't going to hold up very well. I know it's almost entirely AMD's fault, but you spend over 7 minutes at the beginning of the video talking about the launch, which has nothing to do with whether the product is any good or not. If someone is looking at this review a year from now, the disasterous launch isn't going to be relevant to them in any way, so it really doesn't deserve the first 7 minutes.
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Love all of your work Steve, but this one isn't going to hold up very well. I know it's almost entirely AMD's fault, but you spend over 7 minutes at the beginning of the video talking about the launch, which has nothing to do with whether the product is any good or not. If someone is looking at this review a year from now, the disasterous launch isn't going to be relevant to them in any way, so it really doesn't deserve the first 7 minutes.
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