AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT, Ryzen 9950X3D, Z2 Extreme SOC for Ally / Legion, & More
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Date: 2025-01-11
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paololuppi6245
Hi GamersNexus I have been following your videos with great pleasure and attention for some time. I am writing to you from Italy, I am registered with X but I cannot find any function to generate a post dedicated to this report so, apologizing, I use this tool and I point out another lack of Asus towards consumers especially those who are not very familiar with computers. In November Asus for AM5 motherboards introduced the Turbo Game Mode function in the BIOS version 2506 updates (I have a Rog x670e Crosshair Hero) but they have not updated the BIOS manual. I reported this to ASUS Italy and after almost 2 months I am still waiting for results. I do not think that, given that ASUS is an important brand, it should commit huge resources to update PDF manuals introducing instructions to manage this additional feature. Given your recent meetings with ASUS for RMA discussions, if you can request this so that every time they introduce something there is a response on the manuals. Thanks.
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Hi GamersNexus I have been following your videos with great pleasure and attention for some time. I am writing to you from Italy, I am registered with X but I cannot find any function to generate a post dedicated to this report so, apologizing, I use this tool and I point out another lack of Asus towards consumers especially those who are not very familiar with computers. In November Asus for AM5 motherboards introduced the Turbo Game Mode function in the BIOS version 2506 updates (I have a Rog x670e Crosshair Hero) but they have not updated the BIOS manual. I reported this to ASUS Italy and after almost 2 months I am still waiting for results. I do not think that, given that ASUS is an important brand, it should commit huge resources to update PDF manuals introducing instructions to manage this additional feature. Given your recent meetings with ASUS for RMA discussions, if you can request this so that every time they introduce something there is a response on the manuals. Thanks.
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n3o717
I do believe (in the end) with the higher clocked higher watt RX 9070 XT, it will in fact hold its own (raster) against the RX 7900 XTX) -- AMD would do better to release Benchmarks vs their own 7000 series cards (and leave nVidia cards all together out of the picture, no need to run free ads for nVidia after all). So that being said, if we take pre-information info and compare 9070 XT to 7000 series it's almost a modern next gen 7900 XTX and say that as it looks really close in raster (we may see with real drivers it will beat it) however better in all other aspects from rays and fake frames etc... If AMD ran with a $479 2nd Gen 7900 XTX paints an interesting offering vs 4080 and 4070 comparisons and then nVidia saying how much better 5070 is (even if it isn't) paints AMD 9070 XT as a low-class product -- AMD RX 9070 XT for just $479, excellent 2nd gen 7900 XTX for performance and MSRP.
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I do believe (in the end) with the higher clocked higher watt RX 9070 XT, it will in fact hold its own (raster) against the RX 7900 XTX) -- AMD would do better to release Benchmarks vs their own 7000 series cards (and leave nVidia cards all together out of the picture, no need to run free ads for nVidia after all). So that being said, if we take pre-information info and compare 9070 XT to 7000 series it's almost a modern next gen 7900 XTX and say that as it looks really close in raster (we may see with real drivers it will beat it) however better in all other aspects from rays and fake frames etc... If AMD ran with a $479 2nd Gen 7900 XTX paints an interesting offering vs 4080 and 4070 comparisons and then nVidia saying how much better 5070 is (even if it isn't) paints AMD 9070 XT as a low-class product -- AMD RX 9070 XT for just $479, excellent 2nd gen 7900 XTX for performance and MSRP.
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patriotthinking
Since AMD is following Nvidia footsteps, 9070 is an exact replacement of 4080 with fake frames and ai whereas Nvidia is comparing 5070 with 4090 with ai, with just a $50 difference and better performance people will obviously go towards Nvidia. No one seems to understand this and says AMD is giving 4080 performance which is good without realising why AMD is on their back foot. AMD is giving Nvidia's many generation old features after Nvidia has moved away from cnn to transformer model. How is this better even at $500. They need to bring the price of 9070 at $400 to even compete and not just gain the market. People who like raster performance will at least buy 9070.
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Since AMD is following Nvidia footsteps, 9070 is an exact replacement of 4080 with fake frames and ai whereas Nvidia is comparing 5070 with 4090 with ai, with just a $50 difference and better performance people will obviously go towards Nvidia. No one seems to understand this and says AMD is giving 4080 performance which is good without realising why AMD is on their back foot. AMD is giving Nvidia's many generation old features after Nvidia has moved away from cnn to transformer model. How is this better even at $500. They need to bring the price of 9070 at $400 to even compete and not just gain the market. People who like raster performance will at least buy 9070.
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brianmckee3991
I think the CCDs will be on par with each other frequency-wise. They have proven they have the heat issue from Zen4 under control with the 9800X3D. So, I think the CCDs will be able to match each other in performance based on clock speed. The only difference will be that code that wants large cache will need to run on one CCD over the other.
I'm so bummed that they didn't slap 64 MB of cache under the second CCD. They could have made the fastest desktop process ever that way. They wouldn't have to worry about the scheduler screwing things up. And honestly, it would make paying $700.00 totally worth the cost.
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I think the CCDs will be on par with each other frequency-wise. They have proven they have the heat issue from Zen4 under control with the 9800X3D. So, I think the CCDs will be able to match each other in performance based on clock speed. The only difference will be that code that wants large cache will need to run on one CCD over the other.
I'm so bummed that they didn't slap 64 MB of cache under the second CCD. They could have made the fastest desktop process ever that way. They wouldn't have to worry about the scheduler screwing things up. And honestly, it would make paying $700.00 totally worth the cost.
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chrisbullock6477
People don't like it. They'll get over it. And of course the reviewers don't like it. Understandably because that's something that they can't report on and this thus make money from. But from a business standpoint, if you're not ready to do it the way that you want to and show it the way that you need to is best. Just not to at the end of the day. People although they b and moan are more concerned about the end result. If they not going to buy AMD anyway then don't pretend like you really care. Just go and buy your 4090 I mean RTX 5070 and call it a day
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People don't like it. They'll get over it. And of course the reviewers don't like it. Understandably because that's something that they can't report on and this thus make money from. But from a business standpoint, if you're not ready to do it the way that you want to and show it the way that you need to is best. Just not to at the end of the day. People although they b and moan are more concerned about the end result. If they not going to buy AMD anyway then don't pretend like you really care. Just go and buy your 4090 I mean RTX 5070 and call it a day
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syncmonism
I think AMD CPUs are extremely competitive, in part because of the value of the AM5 platform as a whole, but I think way too many people have been buying the 12 and 16-core AMD CPUs which have two CCDs for gaming systems, and I don't like when AMD markets them as gaming CPUs. Sure, for a small minority of people, they can be great, but I think it is extremely rare for it to make sense for someone to get a 16 or 12-core CPU for a gaming system, especially if they aren't also planning to do a lot of workstation tasks or content creation on that same PC.
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I think AMD CPUs are extremely competitive, in part because of the value of the AM5 platform as a whole, but I think way too many people have been buying the 12 and 16-core AMD CPUs which have two CCDs for gaming systems, and I don't like when AMD markets them as gaming CPUs. Sure, for a small minority of people, they can be great, but I think it is extremely rare for it to make sense for someone to get a 16 or 12-core CPU for a gaming system, especially if they aren't also planning to do a lot of workstation tasks or content creation on that same PC.
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bovineox1111
I can only imagine that the lack of GPU announcement in the keynote is a response to the heady NVidia claims and some scrambling to create a token slide or two to remind everyone that some new GPUs are coming while providing AMD with time enough during Q1 to scramble and deliver a price/performance boost that is sufficiently attractive vs the claims from NVidia, though one way to read such claims was to say hmmm the raw performance is pretty similar to last gen, but AI frames a go-go
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I can only imagine that the lack of GPU announcement in the keynote is a response to the heady NVidia claims and some scrambling to create a token slide or two to remind everyone that some new GPUs are coming while providing AMD with time enough during Q1 to scramble and deliver a price/performance boost that is sufficiently attractive vs the claims from NVidia, though one way to read such claims was to say hmmm the raw performance is pretty similar to last gen, but AI frames a go-go
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Nightykk-ti8bd
Shame the rumours about no 3d cache on the second CCD were true. Real bummer that. Makes these CPUs barely interesting at all.
Would've jumped at one of them if it had on both, but eh.. suppose 9800X3D is the way to go. Meh. Not a huge fan of going on lower amount of cores than I was previously, but suppose it's the only sane thing to do.
They should've probably reconsidered showing up at all. The Z2 feels like the only interesting part.
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Shame the rumours about no 3d cache on the second CCD were true. Real bummer that. Makes these CPUs barely interesting at all.
Would've jumped at one of them if it had on both, but eh.. suppose 9800X3D is the way to go. Meh. Not a huge fan of going on lower amount of cores than I was previously, but suppose it's the only sane thing to do.
They should've probably reconsidered showing up at all. The Z2 feels like the only interesting part.
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Apothecarii
AMD pulls back from the high end GPU market, proceeds to compare their new cards to Nvidia models that are literally being replaced by the 5000 series that same day. What in the hell are these guys doing They pulled this same stunt with Polaris and RDNA 2 and now they are doing it again. Maybe the third time they will learn that you need halo or high end products in the GPU market for longer than two generations.
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AMD pulls back from the high end GPU market, proceeds to compare their new cards to Nvidia models that are literally being replaced by the 5000 series that same day. What in the hell are these guys doing They pulled this same stunt with Polaris and RDNA 2 and now they are doing it again. Maybe the third time they will learn that you need halo or high end products in the GPU market for longer than two generations.
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DanFrederiksen
Isn't that graphic implying that AMD will have a 9080 GPU anything comparable to a 5080 including on AI could be mighty interesting if they pair it with 2-3x as much ram as stingy nvidia. if they demonstrate that it can do machine learning and run models far bigger than even 5090 that will really hurt nvidia. say an 800$ card with 64GB ram and 5080 neural performance and the software to match. I'd buy that
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Isn't that graphic implying that AMD will have a 9080 GPU anything comparable to a 5080 including on AI could be mighty interesting if they pair it with 2-3x as much ram as stingy nvidia. if they demonstrate that it can do machine learning and run models far bigger than even 5090 that will really hurt nvidia. say an 800$ card with 64GB ram and 5080 neural performance and the software to match. I'd buy that
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broodyking
Amd seems more focused in taking even more market share from Intel. Intel still controls the enterprise market and AMD had I guess you could call a breakthrough By partnering with dell. Dell sells a lot of PCs to businesses so this seems like it could be big. Possible that AMD has decided it's way easier to eat more market from Intel than it is to take on nvda in its prime.
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Amd seems more focused in taking even more market share from Intel. Intel still controls the enterprise market and AMD had I guess you could call a breakthrough By partnering with dell. Dell sells a lot of PCs to businesses so this seems like it could be big. Possible that AMD has decided it's way easier to eat more market from Intel than it is to take on nvda in its prime.
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MrDrTheJniac
I wonder how the 2nd generation 3D-VCache technology (rather a grand name for we glued it to the other side of the chiplet this time.) will affect the dual-CCD parts, given that it has basically halved the frequency gap between X3D and conventional chiplets. Maybe in a generation or two we could see this frequency gap disappear.
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I wonder how the 2nd generation 3D-VCache technology (rather a grand name for we glued it to the other side of the chiplet this time.) will affect the dual-CCD parts, given that it has basically halved the frequency gap between X3D and conventional chiplets. Maybe in a generation or two we could see this frequency gap disappear.
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VillainVonBadGuy
Can they just drop the 9950x3d already. I'm ready to buy, I'm just waiting at this point. Also is AMD or Intel gonna make something to compete with the 5090, or do I just have to drop the 2k for a 5090 If its 2k ill buy it but, by the sound of it we are looking at after tax possibly being around 2.4K to even possibly 2.9k.
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Can they just drop the 9950x3d already. I'm ready to buy, I'm just waiting at this point. Also is AMD or Intel gonna make something to compete with the 5090, or do I just have to drop the 2k for a 5090 If its 2k ill buy it but, by the sound of it we are looking at after tax possibly being around 2.4K to even possibly 2.9k.
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Heimbasteln
I hope AMD will eventually release a CPU where both chiplets have a stacked cache. Having one chiplet without the extra cache sounds like a scheduling nightmare to me, especially when the chiplet without the extra cache also clocks higher.
I have a 9800X3D, so I don't care if AMD takes 4 years to release something like this.
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I hope AMD will eventually release a CPU where both chiplets have a stacked cache. Having one chiplet without the extra cache sounds like a scheduling nightmare to me, especially when the chiplet without the extra cache also clocks higher.
I have a 9800X3D, so I don't care if AMD takes 4 years to release something like this.
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hellterminator
I was looking forward to a full V-Cache 9950X3D because I don't want to deal with the scheduler messing up and randomly running games on the non-cache CCD or large simulations (which have too random memory access to benefit from cache) on the slower CCD with extra cache. Welp, guess I'll save some money and get a 9950X.
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I was looking forward to a full V-Cache 9950X3D because I don't want to deal with the scheduler messing up and randomly running games on the non-cache CCD or large simulations (which have too random memory access to benefit from cache) on the slower CCD with extra cache. Welp, guess I'll save some money and get a 9950X.
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yixo
I just want to let you know that 9800x3d aside from being unavailable where I live is also 910. At this rate 9950x3d is gonna hit the 1k for cpus. For comparison 7950x3d is 825 and 7800x3d is 660.
There is no god. My previous pc had i7 6700k and iirc it was like 400. I know inflation is a thing but...
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I just want to let you know that 9800x3d aside from being unavailable where I live is also 910. At this rate 9950x3d is gonna hit the 1k for cpus. For comparison 7950x3d is 825 and 7800x3d is 660.
There is no god. My previous pc had i7 6700k and iirc it was like 400. I know inflation is a thing but...
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MrBonhart
Is 9950x3d worth waiting for over 9800x3rd for 4k gaming/ photo editing pc (with rtx 5090, 64gb ram) - any potential for 9800x3d to become the bottleneck at that resolution and if so, how material FPS-wise (appreciating there are no benchmarks yet looking for high-level estimates)
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Is 9950x3d worth waiting for over 9800x3rd for 4k gaming/ photo editing pc (with rtx 5090, 64gb ram) - any potential for 9800x3d to become the bottleneck at that resolution and if so, how material FPS-wise (appreciating there are no benchmarks yet looking for high-level estimates)
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frozen1762
At this point they should just quit GPU market and focus on CPUs. Same as Nvidia and focus on AI. Let the GPU market for normal people to Intel. I would never, ever even if I was a billionaire finance Nvidia scam where they sell overpriced, inefficient, overheated shit for 2000$
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At this point they should just quit GPU market and focus on CPUs. Same as Nvidia and focus on AI. Let the GPU market for normal people to Intel. I would never, ever even if I was a billionaire finance Nvidia scam where they sell overpriced, inefficient, overheated shit for 2000$
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davidsimon7175
Here is a question on the 9900/9950. If the cache on both sides, while the gaming would benefit and the productivity apps do not benefit from the extra cache, do the productivity apps actually take a hit over not having 3d cache, or is it just wasted on productivity apps
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Here is a question on the 9900/9950. If the cache on both sides, while the gaming would benefit and the productivity apps do not benefit from the extra cache, do the productivity apps actually take a hit over not having 3d cache, or is it just wasted on productivity apps
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Coolgamer400
All in all a bit disappointing but i would rather buy a mid range AMD GPU than a 2k$ enthusiast nVidia GPU.
But as always it seems, there are many many people who are willing to pay 2k for an gpu.
Everything else than a xx90 seems to be unplayable.
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All in all a bit disappointing but i would rather buy a mid range AMD GPU than a 2k$ enthusiast nVidia GPU.
But as always it seems, there are many many people who are willing to pay 2k for an gpu.
Everything else than a xx90 seems to be unplayable.
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