Buy New Ryzen 7000 Or Cheap Ryzen 5000?
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Date: 2022-09-28
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Jakob
I don't understand why you are even looking at Ryzen 7000 CPU prices in isolation, when everyone will need to buy the AM5 platform with it, as it's a new platform. This is quite misleading to people not in the know.
There are 3 possible scenarios:
1. Ryzen 5000 series CPU only (if you're already on the platform).
2. Ryzen 5000 series CPU + AM4 platform.
3. Ryzen 7000 series CPU + AM5 platform.
The AM5 platform will be 50-100% more expensive, when you consider the extra cooling needed, vastly more expensive motherboard, more expensive memory and likely a larger PSU required. This will improve when B650 motherboards are released and DDR5 memory comes down in price in the future though.
This means scenario 2 will be about 200% the cost of scenario 1 and scenario 3 will be about 300-400% of scenario 1. This is far from the 10-40% price difference you're presenting when just looking at the CPUs.
Considering that no current games will really get CPU limited with any of these CPUs, you could get much higher FPS in scenario 1 and 2 by spending the extra money on a better GPU.
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I don't understand why you are even looking at Ryzen 7000 CPU prices in isolation, when everyone will need to buy the AM5 platform with it, as it's a new platform. This is quite misleading to people not in the know.
There are 3 possible scenarios:
1. Ryzen 5000 series CPU only (if you're already on the platform).
2. Ryzen 5000 series CPU + AM4 platform.
3. Ryzen 7000 series CPU + AM5 platform.
The AM5 platform will be 50-100% more expensive, when you consider the extra cooling needed, vastly more expensive motherboard, more expensive memory and likely a larger PSU required. This will improve when B650 motherboards are released and DDR5 memory comes down in price in the future though.
This means scenario 2 will be about 200% the cost of scenario 1 and scenario 3 will be about 300-400% of scenario 1. This is far from the 10-40% price difference you're presenting when just looking at the CPUs.
Considering that no current games will really get CPU limited with any of these CPUs, you could get much higher FPS in scenario 1 and 2 by spending the extra money on a better GPU.
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Alberto
Hi Adam and team, this time I really don't get it, you simply don't compare the price of two CPUs by price and number of cores that go in different platform with a completely different cost of entry.
In competitive gaming at 1080p high FPS you really need to go high end, to pretty expensive GPUs, to be able to notice a huge difference between a R5 5600 and something like the R7 5800X3D.
So that kind of left the real discussion to productivity right?
ZEN4 8/12 cores are faster than ZEN3 12/16 cores both in lightly & heavy threaded applications but if you are earning money with that computer would you really save a 200/300 by going 8/12 cores?
The fact that you can take that same computer a improve it with a faster CPU maintaining everything else down the line is not a moot point neither.
I really wasn't getting your point, sorry for such a rant.
Love the show.
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Hi Adam and team, this time I really don't get it, you simply don't compare the price of two CPUs by price and number of cores that go in different platform with a completely different cost of entry.
In competitive gaming at 1080p high FPS you really need to go high end, to pretty expensive GPUs, to be able to notice a huge difference between a R5 5600 and something like the R7 5800X3D.
So that kind of left the real discussion to productivity right?
ZEN4 8/12 cores are faster than ZEN3 12/16 cores both in lightly & heavy threaded applications but if you are earning money with that computer would you really save a 200/300 by going 8/12 cores?
The fact that you can take that same computer a improve it with a faster CPU maintaining everything else down the line is not a moot point neither.
I really wasn't getting your point, sorry for such a rant.
Love the show.
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RobBCactive
HUB have updated their 12 game CPU round up, for value the 5600x was fewest /frame, surprisingly the 7700x beat the 5800x3D out on performance despite the x3D really benefitting some games like Factorio. I'd expect it to change when Raptor Lake comes out, then the 7800x3D should dominate. They did make some assumptions about platform costs lowering with B650 boards.
Was really chuffed to find the Platform Thermal Throttle can be set to manual to alter the high temp, similarly there's a configurable power throttle as well as the Eco mode style TDP setting, so it's perfectly possible cruise with a big cooler at a lower temp and power yet with undervolt have slightly better performance than stock.
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HUB have updated their 12 game CPU round up, for value the 5600x was fewest /frame, surprisingly the 7700x beat the 5800x3D out on performance despite the x3D really benefitting some games like Factorio. I'd expect it to change when Raptor Lake comes out, then the 7800x3D should dominate. They did make some assumptions about platform costs lowering with B650 boards.
Was really chuffed to find the Platform Thermal Throttle can be set to manual to alter the high temp, similarly there's a configurable power throttle as well as the Eco mode style TDP setting, so it's perfectly possible cruise with a big cooler at a lower temp and power yet with undervolt have slightly better performance than stock.
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E.L.
Early in the cideo I think you really discussed the correct way to look at this. The Ryzen 9 is really for workloads that might game now and then. With that in mind, for work you want all you can get becomes time is money. The 7900/7950 becomes the real choice. However move to gamers, the R5 series and the truth is that the 5600X still does an amazing job at gaming and the extra cost of the 7600X is just to high in my opinion. Like Gordon pointed out the motherboard and RAM cost has to be counted as well.
As for the Ryzen 7, to me, get lost in the mix. If I need work I want the Ryzen 9 and if I want to game the Ryzen 5 is super, so why pay more.
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Early in the cideo I think you really discussed the correct way to look at this. The Ryzen 9 is really for workloads that might game now and then. With that in mind, for work you want all you can get becomes time is money. The 7900/7950 becomes the real choice. However move to gamers, the R5 series and the truth is that the 5600X still does an amazing job at gaming and the extra cost of the 7600X is just to high in my opinion. Like Gordon pointed out the motherboard and RAM cost has to be counted as well.
As for the Ryzen 7, to me, get lost in the mix. If I need work I want the Ryzen 9 and if I want to game the Ryzen 5 is super, so why pay more.
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IrelandVonVicious
Answer depends on your GPU. If you don't have a bottleneck than you don't need a faster CPU.
All these test are using highest end possible GPUs that almost no one will be using. At least not yet.
You also have the factor of your monitor. Will it max out on 5000 if you are upgrading for gaming?
The price of the entire build goes way up on the 7000 series.
Then you got the risk that comes along with first gen of a new platform.
These types of videos don't do a very good job of comparison when new platforms come out.
As for me I'd pick the 5000 series or wait another year before buying. Stability is important.
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Answer depends on your GPU. If you don't have a bottleneck than you don't need a faster CPU.
All these test are using highest end possible GPUs that almost no one will be using. At least not yet.
You also have the factor of your monitor. Will it max out on 5000 if you are upgrading for gaming?
The price of the entire build goes way up on the 7000 series.
Then you got the risk that comes along with first gen of a new platform.
These types of videos don't do a very good job of comparison when new platforms come out.
As for me I'd pick the 5000 series or wait another year before buying. Stability is important.
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Maxwell
I personally waited for the release of Ryzen 7000 before buying a new system. I was a bit disappointed with the pricing of the new motherboards. I just game on my pc and decided to go with the intel i5 12600k and a good z690 board totaling 510 after taxes vs a R5 7600X and X670 board running 600 without tax. I am using ddr5 too. just can t justify hundred more for future proofing and a 5-10% higher fps at 1080p when I play at 1440p. To many new features are coming out in the next few years that getting a new motherboard will be more worth it in the future too.
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I personally waited for the release of Ryzen 7000 before buying a new system. I was a bit disappointed with the pricing of the new motherboards. I just game on my pc and decided to go with the intel i5 12600k and a good z690 board totaling 510 after taxes vs a R5 7600X and X670 board running 600 without tax. I am using ddr5 too. just can t justify hundred more for future proofing and a 5-10% higher fps at 1080p when I play at 1440p. To many new features are coming out in the next few years that getting a new motherboard will be more worth it in the future too.
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Andres
8:50 Its not only 150 bucks. You also have to count the DDR5 that is expensive and not to forget, if you dont have a proper cooler, then you also have to buy that also.
I already dicided that I go for the 5800 since Im gaming on a 3440x1440p widescreen and with this resolution my cpu is not that importend for gaming.
My upgrade: Msi b550 Unify (250) + 5800 (300) = 550 Euro s. When I go for Ryzen 7000: mb at least 400, cpu 400, ddr5 300 = 1100 Euros.
For me a no brainer.
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8:50 Its not only 150 bucks. You also have to count the DDR5 that is expensive and not to forget, if you dont have a proper cooler, then you also have to buy that also.
I already dicided that I go for the 5800 since Im gaming on a 3440x1440p widescreen and with this resolution my cpu is not that importend for gaming.
My upgrade: Msi b550 Unify (250) + 5800 (300) = 550 Euro s. When I go for Ryzen 7000: mb at least 400, cpu 400, ddr5 300 = 1100 Euros.
For me a no brainer.
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Andrew
Well, I bought an X570 Dark Hero Viii back in april this year, and put my 3900X in there that I had in the X470 Crosshair 7 Hero. I am definitely going to be getting an either cheaper 5900X or 5950X, And at 3440x1440p gaming there is like zero benefit for going to 7000 Series, which is unfortunate, because I really really wanted 7000 to really really spank 5000 series, but it doesnt at this resolution.
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Well, I bought an X570 Dark Hero Viii back in april this year, and put my 3900X in there that I had in the X470 Crosshair 7 Hero. I am definitely going to be getting an either cheaper 5900X or 5950X, And at 3440x1440p gaming there is like zero benefit for going to 7000 Series, which is unfortunate, because I really really wanted 7000 to really really spank 5000 series, but it doesnt at this resolution.
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Tony
Just upgrade to a faster 5000 CPU if you can or haven't. Just because Zen 4 is out does not mean for a second your PC is obsolete. I have a 5950x and we will be good for quite a while, even using PCIe 3.0. I don't see any really benefit yet for direct storage other than the one game Forspoken coming in 2023, even beyond that we might just get a few games that will use it.
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Just upgrade to a faster 5000 CPU if you can or haven't. Just because Zen 4 is out does not mean for a second your PC is obsolete. I have a 5950x and we will be good for quite a while, even using PCIe 3.0. I don't see any really benefit yet for direct storage other than the one game Forspoken coming in 2023, even beyond that we might just get a few games that will use it.
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Ryan
I also am rocking an 1800x and have been wondering this very thing! I'm thinking of investing in a 5000 series chip and keeping my motherboard, RAM, and GPU. X370 MSI Gaming Pro Carbon, 32GB, RX 6700XT. I run a few VMs from time to time for testing, some dev work, mostly cloud development. My 1800x running steady at about 35% utilization all day long.
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I also am rocking an 1800x and have been wondering this very thing! I'm thinking of investing in a 5000 series chip and keeping my motherboard, RAM, and GPU. X370 MSI Gaming Pro Carbon, 32GB, RX 6700XT. I run a few VMs from time to time for testing, some dev work, mostly cloud development. My 1800x running steady at about 35% utilization all day long.
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Ranger
My main desktop systems are running an R9 3900X, an R5 3600X, and a Core i7 6850K. My file server runs a Core i3 10100. I bought all of these at release or shortly after, and I still have no reason to replace any of them. Sure, newer CPUs are faster across the board, but the ones I'm using are still getting the job done.
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My main desktop systems are running an R9 3900X, an R5 3600X, and a Core i7 6850K. My file server runs a Core i3 10100. I bought all of these at release or shortly after, and I still have no reason to replace any of them. Sure, newer CPUs are faster across the board, but the ones I'm using are still getting the job done.
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BlueRice
Building a brand new PC, for me is better to get the new release at a good price point. If you buy older cpu, you're always going to be behind in performance even though it's a very good cpu. I rather pay a little extra now and get better performance. Unless you want to get the best gpu and go cheaper on cpu.
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Building a brand new PC, for me is better to get the new release at a good price point. If you buy older cpu, you're always going to be behind in performance even though it's a very good cpu. I rather pay a little extra now and get better performance. Unless you want to get the best gpu and go cheaper on cpu.
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Stacey
I feel like anyone primarily gaming that already has an AM4 board, should be deeply considering the X3D. Gordon even referenced Flight simming, which the X3D definitely stomps in. The fact that it still hangs in there with ADL and Zen4, particularly in the 1% lows, makes it the best choice.
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I feel like anyone primarily gaming that already has an AM4 board, should be deeply considering the X3D. Gordon even referenced Flight simming, which the X3D definitely stomps in. The fact that it still hangs in there with ADL and Zen4, particularly in the 1% lows, makes it the best choice.
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Gabriella
DUDE, motherboard prices! AM4 good ones are around 150 , while AM5 good ones are around 3-400 !!! +DDR5 vs DDR4 prices! So getting on AM5 with a similarly priced CPU, you are paying hundreds of dollars more! It is not about that 50 you are discussing here in the video....this is lame
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DUDE, motherboard prices! AM4 good ones are around 150 , while AM5 good ones are around 3-400 !!! +DDR5 vs DDR4 prices! So getting on AM5 with a similarly priced CPU, you are paying hundreds of dollars more! It is not about that 50 you are discussing here in the video....this is lame
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