Ariana Grande Backlash, Blackfishing Controversy Question, Gene Edited Babies Cause Outcry & More
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Date: 2019-11-01
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Ekaterina Valinakova
There are plenty of people who are petty. We don't accuse people with naturally blond hair who die their hair brown of appropriation of brown haired people, yet when they decide to use inspiration from black girl features such as some types of hairstyles or skin tones which are natural to many african americans, they get accused of appropriation/ 'blackface'/ 'blackfishing', etc. It's madness and it has to stop. But I do get where some of these people are coming from: I get the argument that black girls do get harassed of their natural features yet white girls who imitate the said features get praised and how that is annoying, but we do not deal with that by harassing or criticizing white women who merely through appreciation imitate those features on their bodies. We deal with the discrimination over say for example, natural hair by passing legislation which prohibits discrimination over natural hair which thankfully passed in New York City. If you do go about accusing people who imitate features of black girls as 'blackfishing', all that does is illicit them to respond to you by accusing you of whitefishing when you dye your hair blond, lighten your skin w/ make up etc. That does not help your cause at all. My point is this: deal with discrimination and stigma by targeting the causes of discrimination of stigma, don't harass people who simply have an appreciation of these ethnic clines and express it by imitating them with their own bodies. Remember that it's ultimately their body, they get to decide whether to cirl their hair up like that or not. They are not violating any intellectual property concept because hairstyles nor skin tones cannot be copyrighted. Live and let live.
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There are plenty of people who are petty. We don't accuse people with naturally blond hair who die their hair brown of appropriation of brown haired people, yet when they decide to use inspiration from black girl features such as some types of hairstyles or skin tones which are natural to many african americans, they get accused of appropriation/ 'blackface'/ 'blackfishing', etc. It's madness and it has to stop. But I do get where some of these people are coming from: I get the argument that black girls do get harassed of their natural features yet white girls who imitate the said features get praised and how that is annoying, but we do not deal with that by harassing or criticizing white women who merely through appreciation imitate those features on their bodies. We deal with the discrimination over say for example, natural hair by passing legislation which prohibits discrimination over natural hair which thankfully passed in New York City. If you do go about accusing people who imitate features of black girls as 'blackfishing', all that does is illicit them to respond to you by accusing you of whitefishing when you dye your hair blond, lighten your skin w/ make up etc. That does not help your cause at all. My point is this: deal with discrimination and stigma by targeting the causes of discrimination of stigma, don't harass people who simply have an appreciation of these ethnic clines and express it by imitating them with their own bodies. Remember that it's ultimately their body, they get to decide whether to cirl their hair up like that or not. They are not violating any intellectual property concept because hairstyles nor skin tones cannot be copyrighted. Live and let live.
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Nicholas Anderson
While the Fortnite controversy is morally vague, I don't believe there's any legal issue there. In most media (movies, TV, plays, ballets, opera, etc) the dance or choreography does not belong to the dancer or the choreographer but to the producers or production company instead, if it is even copyrighted. Since they are hired employees, most art and products automatically become the property of the employer. An article from Lawstreet in 2015 references the Martha Grahm case in particular; a case concerning dozens of dances that were left un-copyrighted after her death. The article also includes links to relevant existing copyright laws, so I highly recommend it. Personally, as a performer and content creator, I can see both arguments from a moral stand point and as a Unreal Engine artist I have seen the unparalleled care that Epic gives its communities, so I hope they will proactively reach out to the artists that created the dances or at least give due credit. However, legally all previous examples seem to favor Epic's use of isolated moves without reference music or direct use of the artist's material. They are using custom 3D characters that are emulating a move. If thats illegal then it would essentially mean that anyone posting any video of anyone doing the dance no matter the circumstance would have to pay royalties, which is absurd. Love the show and the discussions May you always twerk without copyright infringement.
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While the Fortnite controversy is morally vague, I don't believe there's any legal issue there. In most media (movies, TV, plays, ballets, opera, etc) the dance or choreography does not belong to the dancer or the choreographer but to the producers or production company instead, if it is even copyrighted. Since they are hired employees, most art and products automatically become the property of the employer. An article from Lawstreet in 2015 references the Martha Grahm case in particular; a case concerning dozens of dances that were left un-copyrighted after her death. The article also includes links to relevant existing copyright laws, so I highly recommend it. Personally, as a performer and content creator, I can see both arguments from a moral stand point and as a Unreal Engine artist I have seen the unparalleled care that Epic gives its communities, so I hope they will proactively reach out to the artists that created the dances or at least give due credit. However, legally all previous examples seem to favor Epic's use of isolated moves without reference music or direct use of the artist's material. They are using custom 3D characters that are emulating a move. If thats illegal then it would essentially mean that anyone posting any video of anyone doing the dance no matter the circumstance would have to pay royalties, which is absurd. Love the show and the discussions May you always twerk without copyright infringement.
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Vanessa
On regards to Ariana Grande, I personally feel she's doing nothing wrong regarding this story. Picking up certain speech patterns is normal when someone takes in a large amount of it. Hell, I have a cousin who is obsessed with British media. She watches pretty much nothing but British things from Harry Potter to Doctor Who and she occasionally talks a bit differently. It's not constant but occasionally she'll say something little more British then Canadian. As for the general idea of people 'pretending' to be black, I believe that if the person is not trying to put down darker-skinned people or are somehow trying to profit off of the facade of being darker-skinned (whether that be financial gain or popularity gain) I don't see that much harm in it. There are many people who find they like another ethnicities ascetic. And as for the babies, I've got to be honest and say I'm a bit worried. The idea of somehow protecting babies from HIV or other such diseases sounds amazing. But no matter how much this doctor personally does not believe in genetically altering babies so that they come out pretty or smarter, someone else would be happy to take his research and rake in money from Rich parents you want to design their child from the ground up. These are just my thoughts though.
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On regards to Ariana Grande, I personally feel she's doing nothing wrong regarding this story. Picking up certain speech patterns is normal when someone takes in a large amount of it. Hell, I have a cousin who is obsessed with British media. She watches pretty much nothing but British things from Harry Potter to Doctor Who and she occasionally talks a bit differently. It's not constant but occasionally she'll say something little more British then Canadian. As for the general idea of people 'pretending' to be black, I believe that if the person is not trying to put down darker-skinned people or are somehow trying to profit off of the facade of being darker-skinned (whether that be financial gain or popularity gain) I don't see that much harm in it. There are many people who find they like another ethnicities ascetic. And as for the babies, I've got to be honest and say I'm a bit worried. The idea of somehow protecting babies from HIV or other such diseases sounds amazing. But no matter how much this doctor personally does not believe in genetically altering babies so that they come out pretty or smarter, someone else would be happy to take his research and rake in money from Rich parents you want to design their child from the ground up. These are just my thoughts though.
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HailedDaffodil
The accent thing I am a little torn on. I for sure have run into people who are purposely putting on a fake accent to portray themselves as part of a certain culture and that is not ok. But I myself have had my accent change from moving and interacting with others. I grew up in North County St Louis and had more of a city/urban accent, then we moved to the middle of no where and I started developing a southern twang because I was hearing it daily. When we moved to Minnesota and Canada I started drawing out my vowels and now I have this hodgepodge of an accent and have to consciously think about how my voice sounds when I speak. It really throws people off if I am not paying attention, if I get super excited it goes super southern, if I have been drinking or am just super mellow you hear the northern accent more, more normal still leans to the north county and if I am upset or mad (which is when I pay even less attention to what my voice sounds like) it comes out more. People close to me tease me in good humor and say its cute and that I have a built in mood ring but deep down I hate it because I do feel like it can come off as offensive or like I am trying to mock someones culture when different parts are more prevalent which is certainly not my intention.
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The accent thing I am a little torn on. I for sure have run into people who are purposely putting on a fake accent to portray themselves as part of a certain culture and that is not ok. But I myself have had my accent change from moving and interacting with others. I grew up in North County St Louis and had more of a city/urban accent, then we moved to the middle of no where and I started developing a southern twang because I was hearing it daily. When we moved to Minnesota and Canada I started drawing out my vowels and now I have this hodgepodge of an accent and have to consciously think about how my voice sounds when I speak. It really throws people off if I am not paying attention, if I get super excited it goes super southern, if I have been drinking or am just super mellow you hear the northern accent more, more normal still leans to the north county and if I am upset or mad (which is when I pay even less attention to what my voice sounds like) it comes out more. People close to me tease me in good humor and say its cute and that I have a built in mood ring but deep down I hate it because I do feel like it can come off as offensive or like I am trying to mock someones culture when different parts are more prevalent which is certainly not my intention.
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Jorjah Peach
Gene editing should be legal internationally. If HIV can be cut out of your genetics, imagine what else we could do I know some people have ethical reasons, but if you have two willing couples, who have HIV but want their kids to be healthy, I dont see a problem with it. Of course were messing with a human life, but funding towards this could give us better insight on genetics and the way life works. Not only could it solve HIV, but maybe even ushers syndrome. My friends little sister has Ushers, its a genetically transmitted disease, meaning both parents were heterozygous for that gene, shes slowly going deaf & blind. And giving her and millions of others a better chance at life, would be very ethical. We cant let our morals and values get in the way of a bigger picture. Genetically modifying a human life in the name of science could go wrong, but with better research and more funding, maybe we wouldnt have to take that risk. Also, the rise of super bugs is now, and maybe with genetically modifying we can stop them without antibiotics to make them stronger. Its just a thought, Id love to hear a counter argument, just for better insight: )
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Gene editing should be legal internationally. If HIV can be cut out of your genetics, imagine what else we could do I know some people have ethical reasons, but if you have two willing couples, who have HIV but want their kids to be healthy, I dont see a problem with it. Of course were messing with a human life, but funding towards this could give us better insight on genetics and the way life works. Not only could it solve HIV, but maybe even ushers syndrome. My friends little sister has Ushers, its a genetically transmitted disease, meaning both parents were heterozygous for that gene, shes slowly going deaf & blind. And giving her and millions of others a better chance at life, would be very ethical. We cant let our morals and values get in the way of a bigger picture. Genetically modifying a human life in the name of science could go wrong, but with better research and more funding, maybe we wouldnt have to take that risk. Also, the rise of super bugs is now, and maybe with genetically modifying we can stop them without antibiotics to make them stronger. Its just a thought, Id love to hear a counter argument, just for better insight: )
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Niki Bronson
Literally it's so funny how people try to defend blackface or black fishing by saying I'm just trying to appreciate the culture. You don't have to appreciate the culture by changing your skin tone. I may like white people or Japanese culture but I don't change my eyelids, my hair or try to become as pale as possible. Not only is that just plain insulting and you're just justifying your horrible racist actions, but that's also plain weird. No sane person feels that they need to modify their body to feel more part of a culture they appreciate. And it's always so funny that they try to say oh it's the highest form of flattery, even though I promise you no black women think that no black people think that and that's not even the original saying, it's just another way to justify your horrible actions. The full quote isImitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness. And that definitely says a lot about people who do this
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Literally it's so funny how people try to defend blackface or black fishing by saying I'm just trying to appreciate the culture. You don't have to appreciate the culture by changing your skin tone. I may like white people or Japanese culture but I don't change my eyelids, my hair or try to become as pale as possible. Not only is that just plain insulting and you're just justifying your horrible racist actions, but that's also plain weird. No sane person feels that they need to modify their body to feel more part of a culture they appreciate. And it's always so funny that they try to say oh it's the highest form of flattery, even though I promise you no black women think that no black people think that and that's not even the original saying, it's just another way to justify your horrible actions. The full quote isImitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness. And that definitely says a lot about people who do this
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Charlotte Martin
If those people created those dance moves, then yes they should get a percentage. Just like you would if you used an artists drawing on a T shirt, youd pay the artist. BUT I dont believe those dances are black culture strictly because I dont believe culture is intrinsically based on race, and more the place of origin. Take Shakespeare for example. Shakespeare is linked to British culture because he was a British author and playwright who became famous for his use of language and the way he could envelope you into a make believe world just through his writing. Is William Shakespeare a part of white culture because he was white? Or is he a part of British culture entirely with the multitude of races and ethnicities that were born and raised here? Its the same thing. That might trigger some people (since anything involving race does somehow) so if you want to debate do it calmly please
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If those people created those dance moves, then yes they should get a percentage. Just like you would if you used an artists drawing on a T shirt, youd pay the artist. BUT I dont believe those dances are black culture strictly because I dont believe culture is intrinsically based on race, and more the place of origin. Take Shakespeare for example. Shakespeare is linked to British culture because he was a British author and playwright who became famous for his use of language and the way he could envelope you into a make believe world just through his writing. Is William Shakespeare a part of white culture because he was white? Or is he a part of British culture entirely with the multitude of races and ethnicities that were born and raised here? Its the same thing. That might trigger some people (since anything involving race does somehow) so if you want to debate do it calmly please
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ssmf tattoo
My grandma is full blooded native american. My grandpa is Spanish and German, my mom is Portuguese, native American and Irish. I have daek hair blue eyes i am pasty ass white because i hte the sun, but when i tan i turn a redish brown color at least 3 shades darker. i mean you can see a huge difference in my driving arm to my none driving arm. I wear the 2nd to lightest foundation in almost all brands. But i only have about 30% whiteness in me and about 45-50% native american and then 20-25% Latin decent. But since im super pasty when i dont tan i get put in to a white girl category. Which sucks because i got accussed of trying to look latin at a young age when i was outside all summer but it was just my natural tan color. I get people tan easy sometimes and i get people black face or no black fish but you cant accuse everyone because we are almost all mixed with something.
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My grandma is full blooded native american. My grandpa is Spanish and German, my mom is Portuguese, native American and Irish. I have daek hair blue eyes i am pasty ass white because i hte the sun, but when i tan i turn a redish brown color at least 3 shades darker. i mean you can see a huge difference in my driving arm to my none driving arm. I wear the 2nd to lightest foundation in almost all brands. But i only have about 30% whiteness in me and about 45-50% native american and then 20-25% Latin decent. But since im super pasty when i dont tan i get put in to a white girl category. Which sucks because i got accussed of trying to look latin at a young age when i was outside all summer but it was just my natural tan color. I get people tan easy sometimes and i get people black face or no black fish but you cant accuse everyone because we are almost all mixed with something.
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Amber King
With this whole blackfishing thing it just reinforces my fear of tanning. I'm a ginger who lives in Southern California and my whole family tans except for me I have thought about getting a fake tan so I match my family in photos but I have accepted my paleness but others may have insecurities I know for a time I desperately wanted to look like my family since all of my features skipped my parents but without my red bearded grandfather and now my brother and father's facial hair matching my hair I looked as if I didn't belong. I soon got over this with time and also after my Asian brother was adopted into the family seeing how he felt about our family photos made me realize how self absorbed I was acting I had legitimately asked the woman who took our family photos if she could Photoshop my skin tone to be more like my families so I wouldnt look like a ghost as much.
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With this whole blackfishing thing it just reinforces my fear of tanning. I'm a ginger who lives in Southern California and my whole family tans except for me I have thought about getting a fake tan so I match my family in photos but I have accepted my paleness but others may have insecurities I know for a time I desperately wanted to look like my family since all of my features skipped my parents but without my red bearded grandfather and now my brother and father's facial hair matching my hair I looked as if I didn't belong. I soon got over this with time and also after my Asian brother was adopted into the family seeing how he felt about our family photos made me realize how self absorbed I was acting I had legitimately asked the woman who took our family photos if she could Photoshop my skin tone to be more like my families so I wouldnt look like a ghost as much.
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