The Insane True Stories of Non-Combat IS Members, US Policy, Prosecution & What Justice Looks Like
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Date: 2019-11-01
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for sake of following argument let us assume that the Drumpf somehow manages to actually start WW3 which seems like long term goal of usa. that makes him and the government hostile force of terror. Now should a Canadian teacher try to intervene at base level and actually educate people whom are in support of armed conflict - trying to explain how shooting somone is least helpfull way to resolve an issue. Would you be for or against that Canadian being arrested, detained, persecuted for what ammounts to attempted humanitarian mission? Would the opinion of yours change if Canadian was of collour or different gender from yours? Would religeon have annything to do with this desedion? (lets assume that Chrisanity would side with Drumpf because nothing puts fear of god in enemies like blessed ICBMS? There is also pleathora of bahviour in the past that woudl suggest they just might side with killcrazy nation as long as it alligns with their cause) - if the teacher in my example was allso christian would that make their attempt better or worse in your eyes? Every coin has 2 sides, i have no opinion about either of those two men in video as i have no opiion about the two ladies whom were in simillar situation not long ago. Mainly because i have no insight into their situation and anny one of the four could be lying, misinterpreted by media, etc. My perosnal opinion is that no desedion should be solely based upon faith, not only faith in god(s) but in people aswell.
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for sake of following argument let us assume that the Drumpf somehow manages to actually start WW3 which seems like long term goal of usa. that makes him and the government hostile force of terror. Now should a Canadian teacher try to intervene at base level and actually educate people whom are in support of armed conflict - trying to explain how shooting somone is least helpfull way to resolve an issue. Would you be for or against that Canadian being arrested, detained, persecuted for what ammounts to attempted humanitarian mission? Would the opinion of yours change if Canadian was of collour or different gender from yours? Would religeon have annything to do with this desedion? (lets assume that Chrisanity would side with Drumpf because nothing puts fear of god in enemies like blessed ICBMS? There is also pleathora of bahviour in the past that woudl suggest they just might side with killcrazy nation as long as it alligns with their cause) - if the teacher in my example was allso christian would that make their attempt better or worse in your eyes? Every coin has 2 sides, i have no opinion about either of those two men in video as i have no opiion about the two ladies whom were in simillar situation not long ago. Mainly because i have no insight into their situation and anny one of the four could be lying, misinterpreted by media, etc. My perosnal opinion is that no desedion should be solely based upon faith, not only faith in god(s) but in people aswell.
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Tails Clock
Phil I don't know why you would call that a false equivalence. America is a barbaric place that has so much in common with ISIS. The irony we see from the outside world is that these two evils are practically brothers. Delusional and harmful. And seen as things to be dealt with by Europe. The only reason America is allowed to get away with so much is because the Islamic world is a bit worse. And the enemy of my enemy is my friend. If the war ont terror is ever won, it will mean the downfall of America as the last big threat to the planet. This story is a good sign that America does not want to fix anything. That they would criminalise the people that wanted to do good and end the war. America needs war to hide it's evil. But they're smarter than that. America is also supporting an equal evil, the Jews. Giving them weapons and support. Why? So that when Islam is defeted, the Jews can be the new enemy and continue to protect America. So long as there's someone worse, America can get away with anything it wants. Very conniving leaders there.
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Phil I don't know why you would call that a false equivalence. America is a barbaric place that has so much in common with ISIS. The irony we see from the outside world is that these two evils are practically brothers. Delusional and harmful. And seen as things to be dealt with by Europe. The only reason America is allowed to get away with so much is because the Islamic world is a bit worse. And the enemy of my enemy is my friend. If the war ont terror is ever won, it will mean the downfall of America as the last big threat to the planet. This story is a good sign that America does not want to fix anything. That they would criminalise the people that wanted to do good and end the war. America needs war to hide it's evil. But they're smarter than that. America is also supporting an equal evil, the Jews. Giving them weapons and support. Why? So that when Islam is defeted, the Jews can be the new enemy and continue to protect America. So long as there's someone worse, America can get away with anything it wants. Very conniving leaders there.
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Michael
The problem with Moe and Clark is that they didn't work with the society that had raised and educated them, but against that society. Their only goal was joining a rogue state that declared war against their own nation of origin. While I can have sympathy for the conditions that led them to an ignorant decision since our society emboldens people to act without assessment, I still think they are in need of punishment, rehabilitation, and constant monitoring since they breached our trust. Where I could apply more sympathy would be for individuals who thought educating, feeding and assisting those in the IS would help them see the light in a sense, but I think you should respect our populace and attempt to reach out with a convincing argument. Convince the public that it is in our best interest to launch a campaign of sympathy and work with those who believe the same, but acting on one's own belief in isolation will typically land you in situations where you will be manipulated. If you believe in our nation, work with us.
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The problem with Moe and Clark is that they didn't work with the society that had raised and educated them, but against that society. Their only goal was joining a rogue state that declared war against their own nation of origin. While I can have sympathy for the conditions that led them to an ignorant decision since our society emboldens people to act without assessment, I still think they are in need of punishment, rehabilitation, and constant monitoring since they breached our trust. Where I could apply more sympathy would be for individuals who thought educating, feeding and assisting those in the IS would help them see the light in a sense, but I think you should respect our populace and attempt to reach out with a convincing argument. Convince the public that it is in our best interest to launch a campaign of sympathy and work with those who believe the same, but acting on one's own belief in isolation will typically land you in situations where you will be manipulated. If you believe in our nation, work with us.
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Klark Brothers
Read this, Important. The letter about English teacher looks cryptic. It's written in such a way, that the word English appears to be a substitute for something else. Quote I believe that a successful teacher can understand students strengths and weaknesses and is able to use that understanding in order to help students build on their knowledge of English language. Once I am aware of my students language needs, I can construct a lesson plan to address their weaknesses. As a teacher, it would be mu goal to create a supportive classroom environment and to guide my students in building a solid English foundation Quote endFor a guy that wants to teach kids basic English this letter looks weird. Looks like he wanted to teach kids how to be terrorists. Read this letter again with this thought in your mind. In the interview he said that he approves those public murders of is. I hope he gets a life sentence.
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Read this, Important. The letter about English teacher looks cryptic. It's written in such a way, that the word English appears to be a substitute for something else. Quote I believe that a successful teacher can understand students strengths and weaknesses and is able to use that understanding in order to help students build on their knowledge of English language. Once I am aware of my students language needs, I can construct a lesson plan to address their weaknesses. As a teacher, it would be mu goal to create a supportive classroom environment and to guide my students in building a solid English foundation Quote endFor a guy that wants to teach kids basic English this letter looks weird. Looks like he wanted to teach kids how to be terrorists. Read this letter again with this thought in your mind. In the interview he said that he approves those public murders of is. I hope he gets a life sentence.
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Jonathan Zapata
Does joining an organization automatically mean you support its most cruel policies? Does living in America mean I support solitary confinement or the government's execution of children convicted of crimes? No of course not. It is plausible that somebody might attempt to join a group known for its terrorism for reasons other than terrorism. Furthermore, it is conceivable that somebody might try to join a US-labeled terrorist organization for the purpose of furthering generally acceptable goals such as improving the well being of those in a war-torn area, ending armed conflict, or even undermining the organization's military capabilities. Does this defense apply to the two people in this video? Maybe not. But all of this is to say that they joined ISIS is not enough to show that a person deserves punishment.
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Does joining an organization automatically mean you support its most cruel policies? Does living in America mean I support solitary confinement or the government's execution of children convicted of crimes? No of course not. It is plausible that somebody might attempt to join a group known for its terrorism for reasons other than terrorism. Furthermore, it is conceivable that somebody might try to join a US-labeled terrorist organization for the purpose of furthering generally acceptable goals such as improving the well being of those in a war-torn area, ending armed conflict, or even undermining the organization's military capabilities. Does this defense apply to the two people in this video? Maybe not. But all of this is to say that they joined ISIS is not enough to show that a person deserves punishment.
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ninjunc
I need more evidence to believe what the law Professor said: even if you are coerced you are guilty of support. That just seems like someone grasping to make the US gov look tyrannical in an area that most people actually agree on the need for extra caution. And/or sensationalism to get attention. Sure, it may be the letter of the law, but spirit? Doubtful. Show me a single case where that was applied to a detainee. I mean, we're talking about a victim of kidnapping and likely assault/torture trying to stay alive by offering non-violent support? No way US is throwing the book at them. Now, committing violent acts under coercion? Different discussion.
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I need more evidence to believe what the law Professor said: even if you are coerced you are guilty of support. That just seems like someone grasping to make the US gov look tyrannical in an area that most people actually agree on the need for extra caution. And/or sensationalism to get attention. Sure, it may be the letter of the law, but spirit? Doubtful. Show me a single case where that was applied to a detainee. I mean, we're talking about a victim of kidnapping and likely assault/torture trying to stay alive by offering non-violent support? No way US is throwing the book at them. Now, committing violent acts under coercion? Different discussion.
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Jonathan Zapata
There may be many important distinctions between an IS beheading and a Texan execution. However, I imagine for the hundreds of Texans who have lost a loved one executed by the Texan government after being WRONGFULLY convicted, the differences seem less relevant. Texas has more posthumously exonerated execution victims than any other state in the US and I cannot understand how anybody would view that as anything other than barbaric. I would think one oopsie like that would be enough to stop executing all together. But I guess as long as the innocent people getting executed are poor and usually black, no real backlash will occur.
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There may be many important distinctions between an IS beheading and a Texan execution. However, I imagine for the hundreds of Texans who have lost a loved one executed by the Texan government after being WRONGFULLY convicted, the differences seem less relevant. Texas has more posthumously exonerated execution victims than any other state in the US and I cannot understand how anybody would view that as anything other than barbaric. I would think one oopsie like that would be enough to stop executing all together. But I guess as long as the innocent people getting executed are poor and usually black, no real backlash will occur.
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Anna Gillette
I am concerned about the inability to leave the IS and return to society. What about children born into it who grow up and decide they want to leave? Are they not allowed to seek asylum? If there is no way out for people want to leave, are we not forcing people to remain with a terrorist organization and continue participating in there actions? How does this defeat terror? I know people are afraid, and not without cause, of what will happen if we let people reintegrate into our society who have been apart of this organization. But if we let fear guide us and refuse to let terrorists stop being terrorists, then terror wins.
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I am concerned about the inability to leave the IS and return to society. What about children born into it who grow up and decide they want to leave? Are they not allowed to seek asylum? If there is no way out for people want to leave, are we not forcing people to remain with a terrorist organization and continue participating in there actions? How does this defeat terror? I know people are afraid, and not without cause, of what will happen if we let people reintegrate into our society who have been apart of this organization. But if we let fear guide us and refuse to let terrorists stop being terrorists, then terror wins.
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ninedude
In my opinion the military just needs to learn to be responsible and then I'll trust it. And our leaders need to listen to us. I want to able to trust the military. And the government but right now I don't. I'm afraid of it cause America so really powerful in terms of defense. As an American citizen, I want to know that my military has my best interest at heart. As well as the world's best interest since if we want to be the world's police. Then we need to have the world's interest in mind but that it's difficult because there's conflict. Amd the world is a messy place.
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In my opinion the military just needs to learn to be responsible and then I'll trust it. And our leaders need to listen to us. I want to able to trust the military. And the government but right now I don't. I'm afraid of it cause America so really powerful in terms of defense. As an American citizen, I want to know that my military has my best interest at heart. As well as the world's best interest since if we want to be the world's police. Then we need to have the world's interest in mind but that it's difficult because there's conflict. Amd the world is a messy place.
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