How Krispy Kreme's Owners Exposed Their Own Dark Past & More
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Date: 2019-11-01
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ArchCraftGaming
I honestly think we need to forgive Germany. That does not mean we forget the past or stop talking about it but when we talk about Germany we mention the horrible things and what they did to change. As a little boy I was fascinated by the holocaust and still am today but even though I am 20 I stillbget nightmares when I think about it. No joke it terrifies me but also pesksxmy interest of how so many people could do such horrid things. Almost everyone from that time is now passed away. I think that the world blaming Germany for everything is what allowed for those things to happen. When I lived in Germany as a young boy I read the boy and striped pjs and the German boy was Bruno and he was born on my birthday which Bruno is my name and it scared the crap out of me I kept thinking the Germans were coming for me but I couldnt put down the book because I was so interested. What has happened to those people can never be fixed with money, recognition or anything. Millions of people were murdered in the worst ways possible. If we want a better future then we talk about the past and looks towards a brighter future. I honestly think games like Nazi Zombies idolize the Nazis and I think we need to realize that yes its just a game but there were people who were hurt by these people. We need to stop allowing Nazis to gain recognition and instead talk about the people whoDied and how the world failed them. Everyone failed them not just Germany.
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I honestly think we need to forgive Germany. That does not mean we forget the past or stop talking about it but when we talk about Germany we mention the horrible things and what they did to change. As a little boy I was fascinated by the holocaust and still am today but even though I am 20 I stillbget nightmares when I think about it. No joke it terrifies me but also pesksxmy interest of how so many people could do such horrid things. Almost everyone from that time is now passed away. I think that the world blaming Germany for everything is what allowed for those things to happen. When I lived in Germany as a young boy I read the boy and striped pjs and the German boy was Bruno and he was born on my birthday which Bruno is my name and it scared the crap out of me I kept thinking the Germans were coming for me but I couldnt put down the book because I was so interested. What has happened to those people can never be fixed with money, recognition or anything. Millions of people were murdered in the worst ways possible. If we want a better future then we talk about the past and looks towards a brighter future. I honestly think games like Nazi Zombies idolize the Nazis and I think we need to realize that yes its just a game but there were people who were hurt by these people. We need to stop allowing Nazis to gain recognition and instead talk about the people whoDied and how the world failed them. Everyone failed them not just Germany.
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Rynia Project
imagine being part of a wealthy family, and thinking your family was good and supplying jobs and great products. then you find some odd documents grandpa and great grandpa had hidden away. you find out grandpa and great grandpa had ties to the nazi party. You're just like wow grandpa and great grandpa are dicks. then you hire a historian to look into your family and find out grandpa and great grandpa were not only dicks but were hella nazis and committed a ton of atrocities. An entire horrible past that was hidden from you is unearthed about your own family. I don't think they need to take responsibility for the sins of the father. it sucks that the ones responsible weren't punished and cant be punished anymore but the family that descended from them shouldn't be punished or feel obligated to be punished for things their ancestors did. It is nice that they are donating to try and make up for some of that awful shit, but they shouldn't feel like they have to make up for someone else's atrocities.
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imagine being part of a wealthy family, and thinking your family was good and supplying jobs and great products. then you find some odd documents grandpa and great grandpa had hidden away. you find out grandpa and great grandpa had ties to the nazi party. You're just like wow grandpa and great grandpa are dicks. then you hire a historian to look into your family and find out grandpa and great grandpa were not only dicks but were hella nazis and committed a ton of atrocities. An entire horrible past that was hidden from you is unearthed about your own family. I don't think they need to take responsibility for the sins of the father. it sucks that the ones responsible weren't punished and cant be punished anymore but the family that descended from them shouldn't be punished or feel obligated to be punished for things their ancestors did. It is nice that they are donating to try and make up for some of that awful shit, but they shouldn't feel like they have to make up for someone else's atrocities.
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Nox
Personally, I don't think that descendants should have to apologise and be made accountable for the mistakes their ancestors made. I live in Australia where we didn't have a big involvement in the Nazi party (that I'm aware of, but I also have a shitty memory, so it's best if you look it up yourself if you're curious, but we did have the stolen generation. Aboriginal children were placed with white families without the consent of their biological family. I'm not sure if it's every year or just every few years, but our politicians will apologise for what was done to the stolen generation. Yes, it was awful and yes, it should never have happened, but it did and it is over. I think it is vital to remember what happened, absolutely, but I don't think we need to be apologising until the end of time for what happened. That being said, I am a white woman and I've never known anyone who had to go through it, so my opinion is largely uninformed from those who have.
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Personally, I don't think that descendants should have to apologise and be made accountable for the mistakes their ancestors made. I live in Australia where we didn't have a big involvement in the Nazi party (that I'm aware of, but I also have a shitty memory, so it's best if you look it up yourself if you're curious, but we did have the stolen generation. Aboriginal children were placed with white families without the consent of their biological family. I'm not sure if it's every year or just every few years, but our politicians will apologise for what was done to the stolen generation. Yes, it was awful and yes, it should never have happened, but it did and it is over. I think it is vital to remember what happened, absolutely, but I don't think we need to be apologising until the end of time for what happened. That being said, I am a white woman and I've never known anyone who had to go through it, so my opinion is largely uninformed from those who have.
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Kristian Gensler
Nobody is responsible for something that happened before they were born. In my opinion people aren't even responsible for the actions of their family members. Every person is an individual and most of us have the ability to make our own choices. Unless you're directly causing something, or influencing another person to do something, or somebody you're actually legally responsible for is doing something (like your underage child, it isn't your fault or responsibility. Especially the actions of your ancestors. Nobody chose to exist, life pretty much just happens. You are responsible for your own words and actions just like everybody else. However, if you feel guilty over something your predecessors have done and you want to do something to make yourself feel better and make amends for something that's not really your fault in any way. Then good on you, do a little charity or take an active role in bettering other people's lives.
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Nobody is responsible for something that happened before they were born. In my opinion people aren't even responsible for the actions of their family members. Every person is an individual and most of us have the ability to make our own choices. Unless you're directly causing something, or influencing another person to do something, or somebody you're actually legally responsible for is doing something (like your underage child, it isn't your fault or responsibility. Especially the actions of your ancestors. Nobody chose to exist, life pretty much just happens. You are responsible for your own words and actions just like everybody else. However, if you feel guilty over something your predecessors have done and you want to do something to make yourself feel better and make amends for something that's not really your fault in any way. Then good on you, do a little charity or take an active role in bettering other people's lives.
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Rachel Reichert
The culture in Germany around it's past and education of the public on the atrocities is very much something I wish the US would adopt. I live in the south and there is still this romanticization of the slave era along with a refusal by the general public to acknowledge the civil war as anything other than a states rights issue. It's so much deeper then that, and the way it's viewed my so many now is so formed by the politicians of post reconstruction. I was obsessed with history as a child didn't really have a glimmer of any sort of real understanding of the impact/ horror until I took an African American history class at an introductory collegiate level, and I can't say I had any good grasp on it until I was well into a history major. Slavery and the war was atrocious from all sides, and our education system needs to start taking responsibility. We'd be a better nation if that were the case.
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The culture in Germany around it's past and education of the public on the atrocities is very much something I wish the US would adopt. I live in the south and there is still this romanticization of the slave era along with a refusal by the general public to acknowledge the civil war as anything other than a states rights issue. It's so much deeper then that, and the way it's viewed my so many now is so formed by the politicians of post reconstruction. I was obsessed with history as a child didn't really have a glimmer of any sort of real understanding of the impact/ horror until I took an African American history class at an introductory collegiate level, and I can't say I had any good grasp on it until I was well into a history major. Slavery and the war was atrocious from all sides, and our education system needs to start taking responsibility. We'd be a better nation if that were the case.
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Macky
I don't see the point in this story. Most German companies in WWII would have been involved in war time production, the same way Ford made tanks and Boeing made aircraft. Yes they used forced/slave labour and that's terrible, I'm not arguing that slavery isn't bad. But it's hardly surprising seeing as most able bodied Germans were conscripted. And lets not gloss over the forced/slave labour that the Allies used their prisoners for. German POWs after the end of the war were used to clear minefields in Denmark, Norway, and France. History is violent and terrible. We should make steps not to let this kind of thing happen again but does that mean we have to apologize for the sins of our fathers? To me, no.
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I don't see the point in this story. Most German companies in WWII would have been involved in war time production, the same way Ford made tanks and Boeing made aircraft. Yes they used forced/slave labour and that's terrible, I'm not arguing that slavery isn't bad. But it's hardly surprising seeing as most able bodied Germans were conscripted. And lets not gloss over the forced/slave labour that the Allies used their prisoners for. German POWs after the end of the war were used to clear minefields in Denmark, Norway, and France. History is violent and terrible. We should make steps not to let this kind of thing happen again but does that mean we have to apologize for the sins of our fathers? To me, no.
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whittery27
i don't really see why people would be mad at people living NOW for stuff their ancestors did. Most of us had shitty ancestors, that's just life. You can't expect people to apologize for other peoples crimes. I think it's great they want to donate to charities now, but i don't think they should feel forced to when the actual criminals are dead. There's not really a good punishment for people who weren't a part of it. Again, it's great they are donating to charities that can help the victims of the holocaust, but people alive today who weren't back then shouldnt feel forced to do so. In my opinion, they should do it because they want to, because they feel it's right and is a great thing to do.
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i don't really see why people would be mad at people living NOW for stuff their ancestors did. Most of us had shitty ancestors, that's just life. You can't expect people to apologize for other peoples crimes. I think it's great they want to donate to charities now, but i don't think they should feel forced to when the actual criminals are dead. There's not really a good punishment for people who weren't a part of it. Again, it's great they are donating to charities that can help the victims of the holocaust, but people alive today who weren't back then shouldnt feel forced to do so. In my opinion, they should do it because they want to, because they feel it's right and is a great thing to do.
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Merry Machiavelli
For me, it's not about taking responsibility. Ultimately, the people directly involved are almost all dead and, in any case, it's not as if these kind of activity was being denied or downplayed beforehand. For me, the real benefit of releasing such information is that it brings events into the light - it's probably still much easier to do this kind of research now than it will be in 100 years. One reason we know much more about detail about unsavoury activities in Germany's past in WWII than Japan's is that Germans has been willing to acknowledge their past more openly, despite the nationalistic impulse not to. I find that commendable.
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For me, it's not about taking responsibility. Ultimately, the people directly involved are almost all dead and, in any case, it's not as if these kind of activity was being denied or downplayed beforehand. For me, the real benefit of releasing such information is that it brings events into the light - it's probably still much easier to do this kind of research now than it will be in 100 years. One reason we know much more about detail about unsavoury activities in Germany's past in WWII than Japan's is that Germans has been willing to acknowledge their past more openly, despite the nationalistic impulse not to. I find that commendable.
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1oli100
Im hoping they realised but its obviously not fault what happened to all those poor people in the past. but they are living well now because of it and a 11 million to charity. They dont have to donate do that. But are choosing to do so as a way of saying thansk/sorry. I think if I found out how my Company became so wealthy I would have to give up a large percentage of my income p/y not all because you still worked your own years but to know how you got the opportunity and being rich in some ways its not fair living a good life of money knowing people had to suffer the worst could never feel right
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Im hoping they realised but its obviously not fault what happened to all those poor people in the past. but they are living well now because of it and a 11 million to charity. They dont have to donate do that. But are choosing to do so as a way of saying thansk/sorry. I think if I found out how my Company became so wealthy I would have to give up a large percentage of my income p/y not all because you still worked your own years but to know how you got the opportunity and being rich in some ways its not fair living a good life of money knowing people had to suffer the worst could never feel right
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