THERE MAY BE NO CRIMINAL CHARGES IN GEORGE FLOYD CASE. Protests, Riot, Celebs Speak Allyship & Anger
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Date: 2020-05-29
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Tacman215
Saying the video is graphic and horrible, while also claiming that there's other evidence is incredibly irresponsible. Release the evidence if people are outraged, which they are; particularly if it adds context to the situation, there's no benefit to hiding this so-called evidence. That being said, what could possibly justify murdering an unarmed, handcuffed man? I don't care what color he is, he was murdered while he posed ABSOLUTELY no threat to anyone around him. Police need to have a higher responsibility than any normal citizen; as civil defenders they carry around tools and training that allows them to approach, and handle, situations than a normal person. We, as a society, CANNOT continue to hold them to the same accountability as a normal citizen; Civillians don't know how hard is too hard, that pressing in one spot will kill a person while pressing in another will disable them, and we certainly don't have the knowledge or tools to resolve a situation as well as a police officer is able to, (or supposed to be able to. The police need to have a higher accountability because of the responsibilities they undertake as police officers. What's the point of police if they're just civilians, held to the same rules as us, who can do whatever they want without being held responsible for their actions. I don't care for SJW ideology, but I do care for justice. If we can't trust police then what's even the point? Simply put, this is just wrong. If through our inaction nobody is held accountable and things go back to normal, only for a situation to occur and for this all to repeat, again and again. If through our actions we can force people to respond, (even at the cost of some stores being looted and buildings being burned, and for things to explode into chaos until the situation is resolved. I think it's clear what people must do: if our inaction only allows for situations to continue to happen, for innocent people to be killed without justice and without proper punishment, by those who are supposed to be held at a higher standard than normal civilians, then perhaps it's time for buildings to burn and for people to demonstrate outrage. I'm not saying rioting is right, but if inaction fails, and has continued to fail time and time again, then I really don't blame anyone for demonstrating pure, unrestricted, outrage.
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Saying the video is graphic and horrible, while also claiming that there's other evidence is incredibly irresponsible. Release the evidence if people are outraged, which they are; particularly if it adds context to the situation, there's no benefit to hiding this so-called evidence. That being said, what could possibly justify murdering an unarmed, handcuffed man? I don't care what color he is, he was murdered while he posed ABSOLUTELY no threat to anyone around him. Police need to have a higher responsibility than any normal citizen; as civil defenders they carry around tools and training that allows them to approach, and handle, situations than a normal person. We, as a society, CANNOT continue to hold them to the same accountability as a normal citizen; Civillians don't know how hard is too hard, that pressing in one spot will kill a person while pressing in another will disable them, and we certainly don't have the knowledge or tools to resolve a situation as well as a police officer is able to, (or supposed to be able to. The police need to have a higher accountability because of the responsibilities they undertake as police officers. What's the point of police if they're just civilians, held to the same rules as us, who can do whatever they want without being held responsible for their actions. I don't care for SJW ideology, but I do care for justice. If we can't trust police then what's even the point? Simply put, this is just wrong. If through our inaction nobody is held accountable and things go back to normal, only for a situation to occur and for this all to repeat, again and again. If through our actions we can force people to respond, (even at the cost of some stores being looted and buildings being burned, and for things to explode into chaos until the situation is resolved. I think it's clear what people must do: if our inaction only allows for situations to continue to happen, for innocent people to be killed without justice and without proper punishment, by those who are supposed to be held at a higher standard than normal civilians, then perhaps it's time for buildings to burn and for people to demonstrate outrage. I'm not saying rioting is right, but if inaction fails, and has continued to fail time and time again, then I really don't blame anyone for demonstrating pure, unrestricted, outrage.
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Liam
I have been awaiting this day for a long time, I called it years ago, the United States is beginning to collapse, it's been on the verge for years, but this is the first horseman of the next civil war. The country is irreparably divided, and in a stand off that has not been seen since the 1850s. The States United have never been more divided. I wish I could be an optimist and say that this is a temporary thing that will pass, but it isn't and it won't. Events of this magnitude of civil unrest have been becoming more and more frequent, and I think the tragic death of an innocent black man is the straw that has broken the camel's back. Minneapolis and St Paul currently look like warzones, and when Trump involves the military it will only get worse, there is no way the military will be able to bring things under control despite their power and resources, because people are done, they won't have it anymore. We have already seen these protests and riots spread to other urban centers across the country, and that will continue to spread, city by city, state by state, until the union falls apart. This has become more than justified outrage about the death of an innocent man simply because he was black. That was the catalyst, the fuel will be the discontentment with the Trump presidency, that will further spread and grow this unrest, until it consumes the nation. I genuinely believe I've seen the last of the United States as we know it, and I genuinely believe that the dream of a virtuous and fair republic is over, the experiment has failed. As Benjamin Franklin said at the first Constitutional Convention when asked so what do we have, a monarchy or a republic? , A Republic, if you can keep it. Trouble is, they couldn't, the politicians on the hill and in the White House over these last few years have been bending the system as much as possible, like winding back a catapult, increasing the tension, fingers crossed the string wouldn't break, but now it has. Now, all that tension, all that division, all of the discontentment, all of the rage, has been released, and it is going to end in violence.
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I have been awaiting this day for a long time, I called it years ago, the United States is beginning to collapse, it's been on the verge for years, but this is the first horseman of the next civil war. The country is irreparably divided, and in a stand off that has not been seen since the 1850s. The States United have never been more divided. I wish I could be an optimist and say that this is a temporary thing that will pass, but it isn't and it won't. Events of this magnitude of civil unrest have been becoming more and more frequent, and I think the tragic death of an innocent black man is the straw that has broken the camel's back. Minneapolis and St Paul currently look like warzones, and when Trump involves the military it will only get worse, there is no way the military will be able to bring things under control despite their power and resources, because people are done, they won't have it anymore. We have already seen these protests and riots spread to other urban centers across the country, and that will continue to spread, city by city, state by state, until the union falls apart. This has become more than justified outrage about the death of an innocent man simply because he was black. That was the catalyst, the fuel will be the discontentment with the Trump presidency, that will further spread and grow this unrest, until it consumes the nation. I genuinely believe I've seen the last of the United States as we know it, and I genuinely believe that the dream of a virtuous and fair republic is over, the experiment has failed. As Benjamin Franklin said at the first Constitutional Convention when asked so what do we have, a monarchy or a republic? , A Republic, if you can keep it. Trouble is, they couldn't, the politicians on the hill and in the White House over these last few years have been bending the system as much as possible, like winding back a catapult, increasing the tension, fingers crossed the string wouldn't break, but now it has. Now, all that tension, all that division, all of the discontentment, all of the rage, has been released, and it is going to end in violence.
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Spectre3xb
I think the main problem in the US is that some cops don't see themselves and aren't seen as the public servants they are supposed to be. Which in part stems from the second ammendment. When you are a cop in the USA, you have to assume that anyone you encounter is armed and your life is in danger, so naturally you are quick to pull your own gun on a suspect. But when this kind of behaivior becomes normal, there are some people who will take it too far. And those people are the ones that let their own racial prejuidice combined with some kind of automatic racial profiling get the better of them and act out in this way. In Europe, where essentially noone outside from police forces and the military is allowed to carry a gun, this kind of behaivior is rarely seen in policemen, which is quite understandable, when you don't have to fear for your life, everytime you put on your uniform. Also the police is usually trained more in deescalation tactics than in shooting and that also leads to a better relationship between the police and the public. All that said: The behavior shown in this case isn't explainable by just being an overworked, frightened cop. There are some serious underlying issues, that make this man so completely disregard another man's life. If he thought Floyd was dangerous, he should have cuffed him, once he was down and that should have been it.
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I think the main problem in the US is that some cops don't see themselves and aren't seen as the public servants they are supposed to be. Which in part stems from the second ammendment. When you are a cop in the USA, you have to assume that anyone you encounter is armed and your life is in danger, so naturally you are quick to pull your own gun on a suspect. But when this kind of behaivior becomes normal, there are some people who will take it too far. And those people are the ones that let their own racial prejuidice combined with some kind of automatic racial profiling get the better of them and act out in this way. In Europe, where essentially noone outside from police forces and the military is allowed to carry a gun, this kind of behaivior is rarely seen in policemen, which is quite understandable, when you don't have to fear for your life, everytime you put on your uniform. Also the police is usually trained more in deescalation tactics than in shooting and that also leads to a better relationship between the police and the public. All that said: The behavior shown in this case isn't explainable by just being an overworked, frightened cop. There are some serious underlying issues, that make this man so completely disregard another man's life. If he thought Floyd was dangerous, he should have cuffed him, once he was down and that should have been it.
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Steven
TLDR: Riots are usually caused by police action, and not of the protesters. Isn't there evidence agents who incite violence during peaceful protests? And also the fact that the police start using violence during a peaceful protest too, that starts a riot. It is usually never the fault of the people protesting. Once the police start using violence such as shooting tear gas, rubber bullets and flashbangs etc, obviously you are going to enrage the already angry (but peaceful) mob. I am sure that without agent provocateurs and unnecessary violence from cops, these peaceful protesters could have peacefully protested and mourned for as long as they needed to without harming anyone, and it could have been over with no damage to anyone. Maybe it could have been a few people kicking off from the crowd, but there is definitely no need to start shooting at people. Arrest the violent ones and let everyone else march in peace.
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TLDR: Riots are usually caused by police action, and not of the protesters. Isn't there evidence agents who incite violence during peaceful protests? And also the fact that the police start using violence during a peaceful protest too, that starts a riot. It is usually never the fault of the people protesting. Once the police start using violence such as shooting tear gas, rubber bullets and flashbangs etc, obviously you are going to enrage the already angry (but peaceful) mob. I am sure that without agent provocateurs and unnecessary violence from cops, these peaceful protesters could have peacefully protested and mourned for as long as they needed to without harming anyone, and it could have been over with no damage to anyone. Maybe it could have been a few people kicking off from the crowd, but there is definitely no need to start shooting at people. Arrest the violent ones and let everyone else march in peace.
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strurten
It seems once again in response to something like this, people are confusing institutional and individual racism. In the United States, a majority white country with institutional racism against every other race at every level of society, it is indeed impossible for a white person to be a victim of institutional racism, because by being white they are automatically better off than all other races. That does not mean a POC cannot be racist against white people; that is indicidual racism, which everyone is responsible for on a personal level. Every time something like this happens, people on one side try to use the whataboutism of black on black crime or reverse racism to minimalize the problem, and when someone hits them with the can't be racist against white people what is meant is the institutional racism where this is true, but what is heard is the individual racism where the statement is false.
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It seems once again in response to something like this, people are confusing institutional and individual racism. In the United States, a majority white country with institutional racism against every other race at every level of society, it is indeed impossible for a white person to be a victim of institutional racism, because by being white they are automatically better off than all other races. That does not mean a POC cannot be racist against white people; that is indicidual racism, which everyone is responsible for on a personal level. Every time something like this happens, people on one side try to use the whataboutism of black on black crime or reverse racism to minimalize the problem, and when someone hits them with the can't be racist against white people what is meant is the institutional racism where this is true, but what is heard is the individual racism where the statement is false.
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suyong
for people who think this violent way is the proper way to overcome this 'black lives matter' situation, you should re-think. Sure it will create some sparks nation-wide. But it is going to accomplish nothing but the harms to the society and black people will have even harder time to deal with. The responses are too radical and emotional while it is important to recognize the feelings and to empathize to build healthy societies. Some will take advantage of this, and that's why you see someone robbing a store which has nothing to do with it. but if everyone wants to really really get the situation moving forward and improve the life around him, their actions must be thoroughly thought and precise, mindful of what impacts it will cause. Now People's eyes and minds are turning to riots and protests instead of Geroge Floyd's case. If you reallly care about him, revisit what you think and act.
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for people who think this violent way is the proper way to overcome this 'black lives matter' situation, you should re-think. Sure it will create some sparks nation-wide. But it is going to accomplish nothing but the harms to the society and black people will have even harder time to deal with. The responses are too radical and emotional while it is important to recognize the feelings and to empathize to build healthy societies. Some will take advantage of this, and that's why you see someone robbing a store which has nothing to do with it. but if everyone wants to really really get the situation moving forward and improve the life around him, their actions must be thoroughly thought and precise, mindful of what impacts it will cause. Now People's eyes and minds are turning to riots and protests instead of Geroge Floyd's case. If you reallly care about him, revisit what you think and act.
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catbeara
I'm white and I fully agree with Boyega. Some groups of white people face racism in other parts of the world (e. g. Eastern Europeans in Western Europe, but that's usually also from fellow white people and really not relevant in this situation. All around the world, black people face a kind of dehumanising racism (and in America especially, it's institutionalised and systemic) that white people generally don't. One person not liking you because you're white (or even a few people) is not the same as seeing people of your skin tone being treated violently and even killed by the very people who are supposed to protect them. I don't think it's fair to complain about any racist remarks that might have been said about white people right now, while people are campaigning for justice for the murder of a black man by the police. They sound tone deaf and insensitive.
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I'm white and I fully agree with Boyega. Some groups of white people face racism in other parts of the world (e. g. Eastern Europeans in Western Europe, but that's usually also from fellow white people and really not relevant in this situation. All around the world, black people face a kind of dehumanising racism (and in America especially, it's institutionalised and systemic) that white people generally don't. One person not liking you because you're white (or even a few people) is not the same as seeing people of your skin tone being treated violently and even killed by the very people who are supposed to protect them. I don't think it's fair to complain about any racist remarks that might have been said about white people right now, while people are campaigning for justice for the murder of a black man by the police. They sound tone deaf and insensitive.
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beth
Everybody acts like they love the message of Dr. King but very few heed his message of peace. This was a terrible thing to have happened to Mr. Floyd and I hope his family receives justice. If one white man kills a black man should that make everybody think that all whites are racists? Don Lemon said it was up to white people to fix racism in the US? If that is so then, 3% of the population commit 50% of the murders in the US, would that make them all murderers? If you don't think that you have the capacity to be a racist then you probably are one. More white people are shot by the police than black people every year in this country. Should they burn it down? Mr. Floyd's actions should not have led to his death and he did not deserve to die but please stop calling criminals protesters, they are opportunists, and nothing more.
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Everybody acts like they love the message of Dr. King but very few heed his message of peace. This was a terrible thing to have happened to Mr. Floyd and I hope his family receives justice. If one white man kills a black man should that make everybody think that all whites are racists? Don Lemon said it was up to white people to fix racism in the US? If that is so then, 3% of the population commit 50% of the murders in the US, would that make them all murderers? If you don't think that you have the capacity to be a racist then you probably are one. More white people are shot by the police than black people every year in this country. Should they burn it down? Mr. Floyd's actions should not have led to his death and he did not deserve to die but please stop calling criminals protesters, they are opportunists, and nothing more.
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AshesElite
The meer fact that they have an argument in defense of what we saw proves the problem. It's deemed ok to treat people like that, it fits within their guidelines and rules. It's also acceptable when those actions (which should not be allowed) kill a person. This is the law then? This is considered to be justice? And despite the public reaction to this, they are still willing to let this stand. No change will come on its own, so I can't blame people for choosing to be disruptive. I wouldn't usually condone it and I understand that its unfair for those with property, but the systems supposed to act in service to the people are working against the wishes of the people and they seem to not have any interest in listening to their voices. Maybe they'll take notice of their actions instead?
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The meer fact that they have an argument in defense of what we saw proves the problem. It's deemed ok to treat people like that, it fits within their guidelines and rules. It's also acceptable when those actions (which should not be allowed) kill a person. This is the law then? This is considered to be justice? And despite the public reaction to this, they are still willing to let this stand. No change will come on its own, so I can't blame people for choosing to be disruptive. I wouldn't usually condone it and I understand that its unfair for those with property, but the systems supposed to act in service to the people are working against the wishes of the people and they seem to not have any interest in listening to their voices. Maybe they'll take notice of their actions instead?
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