Thor: Ragnarok Radically Changed The MCU And No One Seemed To Notice
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That just leaves Dr. Strange, and all the tricks he played on Thor in 'Ragnarok' happened in his Sanctum Sanctorum, which he no doubt had plenty of time to enchant with special spells in the intervening period between the events of his film and that one. He still has to use the sling ring, hand gestures etc. whenever he leaves the Sanctum.
Date: 2020-07-14
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fanjoy
I'm not going through the whole comment thread so it's probably been said already, but Frost Giants in Norse myth basically are gods. They are every bit as powerful (and in some cases MORE powerful) as the Norse gods. They can even interbreed with the gods (in myth Odin is part Frost Giant. The main difference between the Norse Gods and the Frost Giants (aside from size obviously) is that the gods are worshipped while the Frost Giants are typically not. Frost Giants who ARE worshipped, such as Loki, are referred to as both. In the films the common Frost Giants, just like the common Asgardians, are kind of nerfed. The implication is that those of royal blood (e. g. Thor for the Asgardians and Loki for the Frost Giants) are significantly more powerful than the commoners of their people. While Loki is painted as weaker than Thor, it's important to remember that it's not because Loki is weak, it's because Thor is just THAT powerful. Sure, Hulk called Loki puny god, but Loki had been shot at by Iron Man's lasers, blown up by Clint's arrows, hit by Thor's fists. and then pummelled into the ground by Hulk. Very, very few beings in the MCU could've survived that.
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I'm not going through the whole comment thread so it's probably been said already, but Frost Giants in Norse myth basically are gods. They are every bit as powerful (and in some cases MORE powerful) as the Norse gods. They can even interbreed with the gods (in myth Odin is part Frost Giant. The main difference between the Norse Gods and the Frost Giants (aside from size obviously) is that the gods are worshipped while the Frost Giants are typically not. Frost Giants who ARE worshipped, such as Loki, are referred to as both. In the films the common Frost Giants, just like the common Asgardians, are kind of nerfed. The implication is that those of royal blood (e. g. Thor for the Asgardians and Loki for the Frost Giants) are significantly more powerful than the commoners of their people. While Loki is painted as weaker than Thor, it's important to remember that it's not because Loki is weak, it's because Thor is just THAT powerful. Sure, Hulk called Loki puny god, but Loki had been shot at by Iron Man's lasers, blown up by Clint's arrows, hit by Thor's fists. and then pummelled into the ground by Hulk. Very, very few beings in the MCU could've survived that.
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Skeeter
Personally, I think every single question that Looper bombards us with in the last half of this video can EASILY be answered with one overlooked answer that Marvel didn't commit to (which would have done far more than just fill in a FEW blanks, and that is for Hella to have been 'Lady Death', it would have explained away MANY questions asked, it would have fulfilled the REAL Thanos situation, it would have given a character to bring forward and solve the Infinity War issue with, and it would have given you someone to add into the Deadpool script to tie him (properly) into Thanos (because in the comics, Deadpool was a DEADLY ADVERSARY of Thanos. then, it would require Marvel to backtrack and cast Morena Baccarin as Hella (aka Lady Death, aka Vanessa. which means Marvel wouldn't have had to slaughter so many stories, but could have told them FLAWLESSLY (Thanos in love with Lady Death, Hella didn't die on Asgard, Vanessa was but Lady Death in disguise, Lady Death hanging out at the wayward school when she met Deadpool and fell in love with him, etc. FLAWLESS. and Marvel SLAUGHTERED it all! What IDIOTS!
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Personally, I think every single question that Looper bombards us with in the last half of this video can EASILY be answered with one overlooked answer that Marvel didn't commit to (which would have done far more than just fill in a FEW blanks, and that is for Hella to have been 'Lady Death', it would have explained away MANY questions asked, it would have fulfilled the REAL Thanos situation, it would have given a character to bring forward and solve the Infinity War issue with, and it would have given you someone to add into the Deadpool script to tie him (properly) into Thanos (because in the comics, Deadpool was a DEADLY ADVERSARY of Thanos. then, it would require Marvel to backtrack and cast Morena Baccarin as Hella (aka Lady Death, aka Vanessa. which means Marvel wouldn't have had to slaughter so many stories, but could have told them FLAWLESSLY (Thanos in love with Lady Death, Hella didn't die on Asgard, Vanessa was but Lady Death in disguise, Lady Death hanging out at the wayward school when she met Deadpool and fell in love with him, etc. FLAWLESS. and Marvel SLAUGHTERED it all! What IDIOTS!
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A.
No. What you are all missing is that a God just has to be worshipped by lesser beings or be ordained to be gods by some indisputable natural law that is key. Abstract things can be Gods (eg. nature) and beings from the sky can be gods as well we just have to worship them for them to get the title God. In Marvel comics the eternals are godlike while the asgardians are considered actual Gods even though they are also both a race of powerful aliens. The distinction between the 2 is that one race has religion built around them with active worshippers while nobody really worships the eternals as they are. These beings can be both a Gods and an aliens both terms don't contradict each other there is no need to separate them. Most of Gods humans worshipped are all aliens by definition anyway so making a distinction is even more pointless in many cases.
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No. What you are all missing is that a God just has to be worshipped by lesser beings or be ordained to be gods by some indisputable natural law that is key. Abstract things can be Gods (eg. nature) and beings from the sky can be gods as well we just have to worship them for them to get the title God. In Marvel comics the eternals are godlike while the asgardians are considered actual Gods even though they are also both a race of powerful aliens. The distinction between the 2 is that one race has religion built around them with active worshippers while nobody really worships the eternals as they are. These beings can be both a Gods and an aliens both terms don't contradict each other there is no need to separate them. Most of Gods humans worshipped are all aliens by definition anyway so making a distinction is even more pointless in many cases.
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SaintGrench
Depends on how you look at the term god. In the old sense, gods were essentially just powerful, mystic beings and were basically what we would call super-humans today. Like in Greek and Norse mythology, they're all very much kill-able. Kinda like Odin says: They're born. They live. They die. It's in the new sense that we typically think of gods in the Abrahamic way, that is as timeless, all-knowing, and omnipotent beings of this supreme and unmatched power.
So, in a way, they've always technically been gods. But then again, the Hulk and Ironman would probably also be considered gods if primitive people encountered them. I think when they call each other god of mischief/thunder/death they're just referring to that title given to them by humans, not their actual godhood. Kinda like nicknames.
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Depends on how you look at the term god. In the old sense, gods were essentially just powerful, mystic beings and were basically what we would call super-humans today. Like in Greek and Norse mythology, they're all very much kill-able. Kinda like Odin says: They're born. They live. They die. It's in the new sense that we typically think of gods in the Abrahamic way, that is as timeless, all-knowing, and omnipotent beings of this supreme and unmatched power.
So, in a way, they've always technically been gods. But then again, the Hulk and Ironman would probably also be considered gods if primitive people encountered them. I think when they call each other god of mischief/thunder/death they're just referring to that title given to them by humans, not their actual godhood. Kinda like nicknames.
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ZSTAR
I dont think the magic=science is gone. Its just that the science is more complicated and the audience isnt given an explanation for how it works because its not necessary. Its still explainable. Either the characters understand how it works but not why t works or the story doesnt need to explain it. As for the Asgardians being gods, I think they are just aliens but some have developed reputations as gods because their known throughout the Asgard and the cosmos for their power or nobility. They arent true gods, some (specifically the royal family) have just adopted those titles because they are the rulers of a civilization that watches over the whole universe. They were so used to being called gods by lower civilizations that they started enjoy the titles.
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I dont think the magic=science is gone. Its just that the science is more complicated and the audience isnt given an explanation for how it works because its not necessary. Its still explainable. Either the characters understand how it works but not why t works or the story doesnt need to explain it. As for the Asgardians being gods, I think they are just aliens but some have developed reputations as gods because their known throughout the Asgard and the cosmos for their power or nobility. They arent true gods, some (specifically the royal family) have just adopted those titles because they are the rulers of a civilization that watches over the whole universe. They were so used to being called gods by lower civilizations that they started enjoy the titles.
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I always thought that Odins We are not gods speech was less about what they are physically, and more about how they should act. Odin sees his allies as relatively equal beings. He respects others. Loki on the other hand was an asshole to others. He thought he deserves to rule Earth because humans are beneath him and hes smarter, stronger, better than them because. I always took that We are not gods comment as Yes, were more powerful and blah blah, but we arent dicks about it. People arent our playthings that we have the right to control just because of what we are. Respect others, and dont be a dick. That of course was said before we knew about Odins conquest, but it made sense for how he was ruling during the events of the first two Thor movies.
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I always thought that Odins We are not gods speech was less about what they are physically, and more about how they should act. Odin sees his allies as relatively equal beings. He respects others. Loki on the other hand was an asshole to others. He thought he deserves to rule Earth because humans are beneath him and hes smarter, stronger, better than them because. I always took that We are not gods comment as Yes, were more powerful and blah blah, but we arent dicks about it. People arent our playthings that we have the right to control just because of what we are. Respect others, and dont be a dick. That of course was said before we knew about Odins conquest, but it made sense for how he was ruling during the events of the first two Thor movies.
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Kiha
Now, on the matter of prophecy: If such an entity were to exist which was able to perfectly know the exact position and velocity of EVERY atom (or whatever the smallest building blocks of the Universe actually are) in the Universe, AND was able to conceptualize what this meant on the macro scale, ie These atoms make up a planet's orbit, those mean this person is making the decision to do something, etc, such an entity would have what we conceptualize as omniscience and could, hypothetically, foresee the future. This means that, in the MCU, even without magic magic, it would be VERY PROBABLE that someone, somewhere can get GLIMPSES of at least very LIKELY future events, and that, given certain immortal forces, SOME futures are quite inevitable.
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Now, on the matter of prophecy: If such an entity were to exist which was able to perfectly know the exact position and velocity of EVERY atom (or whatever the smallest building blocks of the Universe actually are) in the Universe, AND was able to conceptualize what this meant on the macro scale, ie These atoms make up a planet's orbit, those mean this person is making the decision to do something, etc, such an entity would have what we conceptualize as omniscience and could, hypothetically, foresee the future. This means that, in the MCU, even without magic magic, it would be VERY PROBABLE that someone, somewhere can get GLIMPSES of at least very LIKELY future events, and that, given certain immortal forces, SOME futures are quite inevitable.
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Kiha
As for Doctor Strange, I'm unsure of the time difference between his movie and Ragnarok, but it's obvious that by Ragnarok he's a fully realized Sorcerer Supreme. And Hollywood trope all but DEMANDS that his full power is greater than that of his former teacher. I mean, his OBVIOUS mega-super-extreme-savant status is literally the ONLY way he did most of the shit he did in his own movie. So, he's SO talented at manipulating the base code of the Universe, he doesn't NEED hand gestures or magic trinkets anymore for many of the simpler things. It's not much different, conceptually, than the idea of a computer that can read your brain's electrical impulses to be told to perform commands vs using an old fashioned keyboard.
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As for Doctor Strange, I'm unsure of the time difference between his movie and Ragnarok, but it's obvious that by Ragnarok he's a fully realized Sorcerer Supreme. And Hollywood trope all but DEMANDS that his full power is greater than that of his former teacher. I mean, his OBVIOUS mega-super-extreme-savant status is literally the ONLY way he did most of the shit he did in his own movie. So, he's SO talented at manipulating the base code of the Universe, he doesn't NEED hand gestures or magic trinkets anymore for many of the simpler things. It's not much different, conceptually, than the idea of a computer that can read your brain's electrical impulses to be told to perform commands vs using an old fashioned keyboard.
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OperationZulu506
Just because the Asgardians use their titles doesnt make it so. Odin, for example, calls Thor God of Thunder to illustrate the point that he doesnt need Mjolnir. The point being, mankind called him Thunder God, for his lightning power, not Hammer God.
Thor does the same to Loki, using the title ironically to point out Loki's micheavous nature as the reason he obtained that moniker.
Hela uses it the same way as Odin does, to reinforce that her powers are related to killing things. She also uses it opposite to Odin from Dark World, to. reinforce her superiority over others, as opposed to Odin reminding Loki that they are actually not deities and have no right to rule over lesser species.
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Just because the Asgardians use their titles doesnt make it so. Odin, for example, calls Thor God of Thunder to illustrate the point that he doesnt need Mjolnir. The point being, mankind called him Thunder God, for his lightning power, not Hammer God.
Thor does the same to Loki, using the title ironically to point out Loki's micheavous nature as the reason he obtained that moniker.
Hela uses it the same way as Odin does, to reinforce that her powers are related to killing things. She also uses it opposite to Odin from Dark World, to. reinforce her superiority over others, as opposed to Odin reminding Loki that they are actually not deities and have no right to rule over lesser species.
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