Patton Oswalt Has A Crazy Theory About Heath Ledger's Joker
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Date: 2020-07-14
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Gabriel,
I made a list of Christian Bale's and Heath Ledger's movies in chronological order. I watch through it all, and man, I swear, if you're open-minded enough you can make sense out of a lot of things. Heath and Bale's characters, over the movies - as if over the centuries in different incarnations of them -, keep fighting internal battles about whether they're good or bad and all that. Heath's first incarnation in medieval times is a hero, from the series Roar, and his incarnations stay that way for a long time until the Joker timeline (let's put it that way. It's as if they're personalities were evolving through different lives up until the point where they finally confront in The Dark Knight. There's also a lot of references (which are obvious not literally references, like in Heath Ledger's The Order (also called The Sin Eater) in which he's talking to a friend who says I'm serious! and he goes like And I'm starting to laugh. There's a lot of things like that in various ways, you just gotta stretch a little but I found doing this really fun.
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I made a list of Christian Bale's and Heath Ledger's movies in chronological order. I watch through it all, and man, I swear, if you're open-minded enough you can make sense out of a lot of things. Heath and Bale's characters, over the movies - as if over the centuries in different incarnations of them -, keep fighting internal battles about whether they're good or bad and all that. Heath's first incarnation in medieval times is a hero, from the series Roar, and his incarnations stay that way for a long time until the Joker timeline (let's put it that way. It's as if they're personalities were evolving through different lives up until the point where they finally confront in The Dark Knight. There's also a lot of references (which are obvious not literally references, like in Heath Ledger's The Order (also called The Sin Eater) in which he's talking to a friend who says I'm serious! and he goes like And I'm starting to laugh. There's a lot of things like that in various ways, you just gotta stretch a little but I found doing this really fun.
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Gomer
Wouldn't he be able to fight a little better if he was a Secret agent or e x military he did hold his own against Batman a little at the end but other than that this is a really good viable Theory. Guess he could be doing all this against Society because he has seen the hypocrisy of all the world government and just people in general. The references to military and cops dying would be another quality EX military or government agents would have seen first hand as people really don't Blink over the deaths of these type of people and if he was a EX Secret government agent he knows that really no one even finds out about those deaths because of all the secrecy and that could be another great reason he had nothing come back on the fingerprints because agents are pretty wiped cleared out of existence.
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Wouldn't he be able to fight a little better if he was a Secret agent or e x military he did hold his own against Batman a little at the end but other than that this is a really good viable Theory. Guess he could be doing all this against Society because he has seen the hypocrisy of all the world government and just people in general. The references to military and cops dying would be another quality EX military or government agents would have seen first hand as people really don't Blink over the deaths of these type of people and if he was a EX Secret government agent he knows that really no one even finds out about those deaths because of all the secrecy and that could be another great reason he had nothing come back on the fingerprints because agents are pretty wiped cleared out of existence.
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Don
The joker character at its core is strange and that whole thing with Jack Nicholson saying he told him, makes it even more so. I think when you do the joker so good that it takes over like a demon. There's a B movie floating around called Clown and it kind of makes you think there may be something more to this. This guy puts on a clown suit for his daughters birthday, and he finds he can't remove the suit. the suit turned him mad and the only way to set himself free was too end his life. Not to mention Nicholson had to go through therapy to shake the joker. Thinking that may be the reason Jared Leto's portrayal was so basic, like you saw the joker but it wasn't like this is that guy. Eager to see what Phoenix does if that happens, because DC is getting there ass busted in theaters.
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The joker character at its core is strange and that whole thing with Jack Nicholson saying he told him, makes it even more so. I think when you do the joker so good that it takes over like a demon. There's a B movie floating around called Clown and it kind of makes you think there may be something more to this. This guy puts on a clown suit for his daughters birthday, and he finds he can't remove the suit. the suit turned him mad and the only way to set himself free was too end his life. Not to mention Nicholson had to go through therapy to shake the joker. Thinking that may be the reason Jared Leto's portrayal was so basic, like you saw the joker but it wasn't like this is that guy. Eager to see what Phoenix does if that happens, because DC is getting there ass busted in theaters.
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John
I like to think all the major theories are right. He had an abusive father that taunted him with the Why so serious quote, this led to his gambling addiction later on, which made his wife leave him. After, he enlisted in the military where he was part of a black ops operation that erased his identity and also taught him the dark side of human nature. Soon, the operation was attacked, giving him his scars. His fellow soldiers abandoned him which further made his faith in people and the system fail. With the military believing him dead, and his identity completely gone from knowledge, he disappeared and began planning his future attacks but when the Batman appeared, he became obsessed with the theatrical and adopted the persona of the Joker.
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I like to think all the major theories are right. He had an abusive father that taunted him with the Why so serious quote, this led to his gambling addiction later on, which made his wife leave him. After, he enlisted in the military where he was part of a black ops operation that erased his identity and also taught him the dark side of human nature. Soon, the operation was attacked, giving him his scars. His fellow soldiers abandoned him which further made his faith in people and the system fail. With the military believing him dead, and his identity completely gone from knowledge, he disappeared and began planning his future attacks but when the Batman appeared, he became obsessed with the theatrical and adopted the persona of the Joker.
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Boots
Well think about it. He robbed a mob bank, had the co-conspirators kill each other off, co-erced the mob's bosses for weapons and men to kill batman, effectively established a coup de tat with a pencil, and shifts the entire law & order of the Gotham police due to his GTA rampage through the city. Batman is exposed as the big brother vigilante finally being pursued by the police. Joker did batman's job (eliminating criminals and inspiring fear in the hearts of criminals) more effectively than batman did simultaneously tricking everyone into believing he was worse than anyone before him. He was the actual Dark Knight. and he was definitely trained in a special forces group.
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Well think about it. He robbed a mob bank, had the co-conspirators kill each other off, co-erced the mob's bosses for weapons and men to kill batman, effectively established a coup de tat with a pencil, and shifts the entire law & order of the Gotham police due to his GTA rampage through the city. Batman is exposed as the big brother vigilante finally being pursued by the police. Joker did batman's job (eliminating criminals and inspiring fear in the hearts of criminals) more effectively than batman did simultaneously tricking everyone into believing he was worse than anyone before him. He was the actual Dark Knight. and he was definitely trained in a special forces group.
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Wiki
im really getin a theory of the joker as TTG (telltallgaming) it is but when i play there 2 series of batman n how the joker told his lifes theory to bruce wayne well he actual didnt apply how well he got in the asylum but ifthey are saying joker was a war veteran what did he do to kill mankind n bring his ownself to the asylum as joker speaks to bruce bout more understanding meanings but did joker kill mankind of slaughtering his minions over his or did he virtual become mad n have a twitch in his mind to kill n laugh as he saw the blood driping thru the face of evil n gore fills the air and bring hatred what he did in war braught him in the asylum
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im really getin a theory of the joker as TTG (telltallgaming) it is but when i play there 2 series of batman n how the joker told his lifes theory to bruce wayne well he actual didnt apply how well he got in the asylum but ifthey are saying joker was a war veteran what did he do to kill mankind n bring his ownself to the asylum as joker speaks to bruce bout more understanding meanings but did joker kill mankind of slaughtering his minions over his or did he virtual become mad n have a twitch in his mind to kill n laugh as he saw the blood driping thru the face of evil n gore fills the air and bring hatred what he did in war braught him in the asylum
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Robert
To me The joker is a teacher and Batman is a student, and the the joker teaches Batman how you can't let someone as messed as the joker himself live because of what he does. And he instructs him in the matters of pain and loss, every time the joker and Batman clash with each other, because he wants to prove how weak his moral code is, which is not. To get rid of evil you have to destroy it before it gets worse. And I think that's why the people he helps turn against.
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To me The joker is a teacher and Batman is a student, and the the joker teaches Batman how you can't let someone as messed as the joker himself live because of what he does. And he instructs him in the matters of pain and loss, every time the joker and Batman clash with each other, because he wants to prove how weak his moral code is, which is not. To get rid of evil you have to destroy it before it gets worse. And I think that's why the people he helps turn against.
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Lamsan
So, nobody (not even the theory expert) is going to point the obvious detail that the joker has advanced fight skills?
He beat Gambo's bodyguard (the scene with the pencil, then easily overpowered a police agent that was ready to torture him.
The only one he couldn't beat physically (without resorting to tricks like a knife in his shoe or releasing the hounds) was Batman, who was the most skilled in fighting at the moment of that movie.
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So, nobody (not even the theory expert) is going to point the obvious detail that the joker has advanced fight skills?
He beat Gambo's bodyguard (the scene with the pencil, then easily overpowered a police agent that was ready to torture him.
The only one he couldn't beat physically (without resorting to tricks like a knife in his shoe or releasing the hounds) was Batman, who was the most skilled in fighting at the moment of that movie.
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Seluk
My theory is kinda meta: I think that when everyone find out that Heath Ledger was going to be the Joker everyone critisized him so he tried his very best and made extreme practial actoring to make Joker his best role ever, and it worked byt it cam with a cost. After being too much afraid that he won't be a good Joker and fan's constant criticizing he just lost it and killed himself after the movie was finished. He just couldn't take the stress.
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My theory is kinda meta: I think that when everyone find out that Heath Ledger was going to be the Joker everyone critisized him so he tried his very best and made extreme practial actoring to make Joker his best role ever, and it worked byt it cam with a cost. After being too much afraid that he won't be a good Joker and fan's constant criticizing he just lost it and killed himself after the movie was finished. He just couldn't take the stress.
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