AMD RX 5700 XT Hybrid Mod, PowerPlay Overclock, & More Power
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Date: 2020-05-06
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how does a 2070 super overclocked compare to the 5700xt overclocked? damn. i should have waited. wasted my money jumping the gun on the 207o. last time a new card came out though, i sat on the fence for a bit and then the prices skyrocketed. so i had to wait about a year. and even then i think it was still no cheaper than its release price. oh well. at least i got the two free games promised to me by nvidia. oh wait. no i didnt. because the fine print says i bought it from the wrong store. there i was thinking it would be a standard paper game code in the box. what a fool. and on top of that the card is now going for 20 cheaper at another local store. that wait. you guessed it. is legitimately offering the free games deal. shouldve waited. shouldve gone amd all the way. also. my ram that i bought. according to reviews of almost identical ram (teamgroup vulcan t force tuf gaming 3200 16 18 18 38 1. 35v (1. 2-1. 4v suuported) same exact specs as mine. and both other reviews i found. except one mentioned they had b die samsung. i have c die dunno what brand. anyway. in one review they overclocked stable to 3600 with no other changes required. in the other they got 3600 with 1. 4v and slightly looser timings. both saw massive improvements. and both were on ryzen 2000. mine doesnt overclock at all. no matter the timings. no matter the voltage. and thats on an asus x570 gaming wifi board with ryzen 3700x. should be much easier than earlier ryzens to overclock. so i just got bad ram. dammnit. oh well. tme to go through the hassle of selling my old parts too. (fx8350 - which was 24/7 stable at 4. 5 on noctua nhd14, 16gb ddr3 1600mhz, asus sabertooth 990fx and gtx 10606gb. reckon i can get 700nzd for all these if im careful and maybe sell seperately. im going to miss that cooler though. i really dont like the temps of these new ryzen chips. hits mid 80 degrees celcius. my fx8350 never went over 61. averaged mid 50's under load. overclocked. anywho. long post. right? lol.
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how does a 2070 super overclocked compare to the 5700xt overclocked? damn. i should have waited. wasted my money jumping the gun on the 207o. last time a new card came out though, i sat on the fence for a bit and then the prices skyrocketed. so i had to wait about a year. and even then i think it was still no cheaper than its release price. oh well. at least i got the two free games promised to me by nvidia. oh wait. no i didnt. because the fine print says i bought it from the wrong store. there i was thinking it would be a standard paper game code in the box. what a fool. and on top of that the card is now going for 20 cheaper at another local store. that wait. you guessed it. is legitimately offering the free games deal. shouldve waited. shouldve gone amd all the way. also. my ram that i bought. according to reviews of almost identical ram (teamgroup vulcan t force tuf gaming 3200 16 18 18 38 1. 35v (1. 2-1. 4v suuported) same exact specs as mine. and both other reviews i found. except one mentioned they had b die samsung. i have c die dunno what brand. anyway. in one review they overclocked stable to 3600 with no other changes required. in the other they got 3600 with 1. 4v and slightly looser timings. both saw massive improvements. and both were on ryzen 2000. mine doesnt overclock at all. no matter the timings. no matter the voltage. and thats on an asus x570 gaming wifi board with ryzen 3700x. should be much easier than earlier ryzens to overclock. so i just got bad ram. dammnit. oh well. tme to go through the hassle of selling my old parts too. (fx8350 - which was 24/7 stable at 4. 5 on noctua nhd14, 16gb ddr3 1600mhz, asus sabertooth 990fx and gtx 10606gb. reckon i can get 700nzd for all these if im careful and maybe sell seperately. im going to miss that cooler though. i really dont like the temps of these new ryzen chips. hits mid 80 degrees celcius. my fx8350 never went over 61. averaged mid 50's under load. overclocked. anywho. long post. right? lol.
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Vertical
No registry hack but my cards power slider can go up to plus 50% idk how or why it's like this but ya weird. Anyway core set to 2100 stock out of the box I haven't touched it yet but I hit around 2087 to 2095 tops and then it bounces around within 10 to 20mhz of those two numbers but I don't think it's ever actually hit 2100, 2095 tops. Everything stock no overclocking and get over 200fps in apex legends with my r5 3600 cpu. Apex settings are tweaked a bit for optimum performance of course but still I'm very impressed with this card now that I actually got it to work finally. It's been boxed for a week now finally took it out yesterday again to play with before I returned it and actually got it to work. So far so good huge step up from my rx580 8gb sapphire nitro+ special ed. Card. prolly gonna keep it now too. So long it keeps working this time cause it did for a few days after I got it but the I upgraded my cpu and for some reason it stopped and also nothing was showing in wattman plus a huge performance decrease and my fan never kicked on either so ya glad that's over with.
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No registry hack but my cards power slider can go up to plus 50% idk how or why it's like this but ya weird. Anyway core set to 2100 stock out of the box I haven't touched it yet but I hit around 2087 to 2095 tops and then it bounces around within 10 to 20mhz of those two numbers but I don't think it's ever actually hit 2100, 2095 tops. Everything stock no overclocking and get over 200fps in apex legends with my r5 3600 cpu. Apex settings are tweaked a bit for optimum performance of course but still I'm very impressed with this card now that I actually got it to work finally. It's been boxed for a week now finally took it out yesterday again to play with before I returned it and actually got it to work. So far so good huge step up from my rx580 8gb sapphire nitro+ special ed. Card. prolly gonna keep it now too. So long it keeps working this time cause it did for a few days after I got it but the I upgraded my cpu and for some reason it stopped and also nothing was showing in wattman plus a huge performance decrease and my fan never kicked on either so ya glad that's over with.
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Mike
It will be interesting if there is a workstation NAVI card with HBM in the next 12 months. I doubt HBM would impact gaming though. We seen in the past that HBM is just too expensive for little return on the consumer gaming front. Now that Navi has most of the issues with GCN sorted out (super high bandwidth, but not enough rendering torque, would it be able to really fly with more bandwith and more than 40 CUs? We'll have to wait to find out I guess. Navi 56 or Navi 60/64 might be really crazy if they can get it power efficient. Would something like that benefit enough from HBM to make the cost worth it? On expensive workstation cards it might. In Vega that was not the case, for real time game rendering. Maybe it is now?
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It will be interesting if there is a workstation NAVI card with HBM in the next 12 months. I doubt HBM would impact gaming though. We seen in the past that HBM is just too expensive for little return on the consumer gaming front. Now that Navi has most of the issues with GCN sorted out (super high bandwidth, but not enough rendering torque, would it be able to really fly with more bandwith and more than 40 CUs? We'll have to wait to find out I guess. Navi 56 or Navi 60/64 might be really crazy if they can get it power efficient. Would something like that benefit enough from HBM to make the cost worth it? On expensive workstation cards it might. In Vega that was not the case, for real time game rendering. Maybe it is now?
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The
So RDNA seems to have the same problem as Polaris and Vega that the bottleneck with the cards is memory bandwidth, with vega it really didn't matter because the architecture isn't good. RDNA while sharing the same lineage is a fairly big departure from GCN and it shows with where the 5700 sits compared to radeon vii in most benchmarks, so I'm wondering if a theoretical 5900 exists with say 64 compute units will AMD shift back to HBM with the higher tier cards to try and overcome this very obvious limitation. It'd certainly be a very quick card in many benchmarks maybe even giving the 2080ti a good beating in most and it'd be nice to see some competition in the high end again. Well Until Nvidia moves to 7nm that is.
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So RDNA seems to have the same problem as Polaris and Vega that the bottleneck with the cards is memory bandwidth, with vega it really didn't matter because the architecture isn't good. RDNA while sharing the same lineage is a fairly big departure from GCN and it shows with where the 5700 sits compared to radeon vii in most benchmarks, so I'm wondering if a theoretical 5900 exists with say 64 compute units will AMD shift back to HBM with the higher tier cards to try and overcome this very obvious limitation. It'd certainly be a very quick card in many benchmarks maybe even giving the 2080ti a good beating in most and it'd be nice to see some competition in the high end again. Well Until Nvidia moves to 7nm that is.
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zon
Why the thermals are better than stock with your hybrid but performance in several test is much lower? Also considering Lows are much more important than a average down a few FPS, I think is room for improvement. I think something is wrong with your hybrid mod as does not reflect in performance like the simple power tables. Ps: just watched the end of video and I see you mentioned the lack of cooling on memory s in a hybrid mod, that could be the issue indeed. Sorry, my bad for commenting to fast. But many people will miss this important detail, I think a full cover water block if anyone wants water cooling.
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Why the thermals are better than stock with your hybrid but performance in several test is much lower? Also considering Lows are much more important than a average down a few FPS, I think is room for improvement. I think something is wrong with your hybrid mod as does not reflect in performance like the simple power tables. Ps: just watched the end of video and I see you mentioned the lack of cooling on memory s in a hybrid mod, that could be the issue indeed. Sorry, my bad for commenting to fast. But many people will miss this important detail, I think a full cover water block if anyone wants water cooling.
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Jux
Nice deep-dive team! VERY useful. I can't wait to mod one of the next gen RDNA cards. I have had great success with a custom cut VRAM coldplate attached to an EK Thermosphere block, and a Koolance universal VRM waterblock in the past. My GTX 760 is showing 1302MHz average, and 1515MHz max in userbenchmark. 96th percentile. My latest mods are a 1080 Ti Jetstream and a 1070 AMP Edition, and I've managed to de-solder the VRAM coldplates from the heatsink assembly with my hot-air soldering station. Will be interesting to see how my copper coldplates compare to the original stainless steel ones.
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Nice deep-dive team! VERY useful. I can't wait to mod one of the next gen RDNA cards. I have had great success with a custom cut VRAM coldplate attached to an EK Thermosphere block, and a Koolance universal VRM waterblock in the past. My GTX 760 is showing 1302MHz average, and 1515MHz max in userbenchmark. 96th percentile. My latest mods are a 1080 Ti Jetstream and a 1070 AMP Edition, and I've managed to de-solder the VRAM coldplates from the heatsink assembly with my hot-air soldering station. Will be interesting to see how my copper coldplates compare to the original stainless steel ones.
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Cody
I don't know why I watch these videos lol like I'm so new to all of this that all I hear are meaningless numbers. Basically I look at the graphs and look for the highest bars and assume that's what I want to buy. Since I don't want to buy a ti I'm probably going to get a 2080 super because all I'm using now is an old rx480 paired with an x570 3700x and I'm kinda happy with it now compared to Xbox. I'm willing to spend 6-700 on a gpu so maybe someone can tell me in console peasant terms what I should get. I want at least 1440p prettiest picture possible without buying a ti.
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I don't know why I watch these videos lol like I'm so new to all of this that all I hear are meaningless numbers. Basically I look at the graphs and look for the highest bars and assume that's what I want to buy. Since I don't want to buy a ti I'm probably going to get a 2080 super because all I'm using now is an old rx480 paired with an x570 3700x and I'm kinda happy with it now compared to Xbox. I'm willing to spend 6-700 on a gpu so maybe someone can tell me in console peasant terms what I should get. I want at least 1440p prettiest picture possible without buying a ti.
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Krazi
remove the vapor chamber from the reference cooler then install the black aluminum part from the reference cooler then install the arctic aio pump over that then you have a true AMD rx 5700 XT Hybrid, I modified the AMD Radeon R9 290/290X this same exact way. with this exact same cooler with the blower fan still intact but gpu was cooled by the AIO and as a true hybrid and AMD factory looking AIO card do this so that the GDDR6 Ram and The VRMs are still basically Cooled by the Reference coolers blower fan/black aluminum HEAT plate type deal.
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remove the vapor chamber from the reference cooler then install the black aluminum part from the reference cooler then install the arctic aio pump over that then you have a true AMD rx 5700 XT Hybrid, I modified the AMD Radeon R9 290/290X this same exact way. with this exact same cooler with the blower fan still intact but gpu was cooled by the AIO and as a true hybrid and AMD factory looking AIO card do this so that the GDDR6 Ram and The VRMs are still basically Cooled by the Reference coolers blower fan/black aluminum HEAT plate type deal.
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Lazarus
Let me add some REAL important numbers from an average retailer Rtx 2060 super 420 Rx 5700 xt 420 Rx5700 hybdrid mod 490 Rtx 2070 super 525 So better than rtx 2060 /2060 super at the same price, and the same performance of a stock more expensive rtx 2070 super, I think this gpu with or without the hybrid mod is the vfm! I dont know why you compare it with 2070 super when price wise its in the price segment of 2060 super, which beats in every scenario!
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Let me add some REAL important numbers from an average retailer Rtx 2060 super 420 Rx 5700 xt 420 Rx5700 hybdrid mod 490 Rtx 2070 super 525 So better than rtx 2060 /2060 super at the same price, and the same performance of a stock more expensive rtx 2070 super, I think this gpu with or without the hybrid mod is the vfm! I dont know why you compare it with 2070 super when price wise its in the price segment of 2060 super, which beats in every scenario!
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Julien
Awesome video! It's interesting to see that RDNA/Navi is still memory starved. Can't wait to see what happens when AMD gets the silicon bandwidth to start making it HBM2. Massively increase memory throughput, and reduce memory power consumption to increase the core clocks. Hopefully AMD can give Nvidia a run for the performance crown and we can see the whole product stack start to squish down in terms of price. no more >1000 cards!
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Awesome video! It's interesting to see that RDNA/Navi is still memory starved. Can't wait to see what happens when AMD gets the silicon bandwidth to start making it HBM2. Massively increase memory throughput, and reduce memory power consumption to increase the core clocks. Hopefully AMD can give Nvidia a run for the performance crown and we can see the whole product stack start to squish down in terms of price. no more >1000 cards!
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