Honda CRV: Extended Crank Time / No Crank Signal
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Date: 2023-03-24
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WXSEDY
Come on Eric! You should know that making a _profit_ in the PRNY is virtually _illegal! _ I don't know who could have possibly mislead you into thinking mechanics don't owe _everyone_ a freebie whenever it's just a matter of a 10-dollar part and a trip to the junk yard. Never mind any _time_ it took to troubleshoot. (Please look up the word _sarcasm_ if anyone thinks I'm being serious here -- I'm not)
But as far as soldering wires goes, you _may_ want to do it if there's a reason to have a stronger connection and maybe prevent corrosion where dissimilar metals might be a concern. Personally, I've found that if you're relying on solder to make better _physical_ connections that you're probably doing other things wrong too -- didn't see it here. Of course, every situation is different and a hot a engine melting solder might be _another_ thing to consider (hint.
Frankly, I saw nothing wrong. Any splice is only as good as the crimp involved. Just look at that that sensor's electrical connector and the pins involved _there_ if you need any clues regarding physical versus solder. I mean, hellooo! Why the heck _wouldn't_ you use a physical crimp to make repairs, especially if it's quicker, easier and no better than solder?
Eric, you did the right thing here. Hopefully, you also made a buck or two doing it.
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Come on Eric! You should know that making a _profit_ in the PRNY is virtually _illegal! _ I don't know who could have possibly mislead you into thinking mechanics don't owe _everyone_ a freebie whenever it's just a matter of a 10-dollar part and a trip to the junk yard. Never mind any _time_ it took to troubleshoot. (Please look up the word _sarcasm_ if anyone thinks I'm being serious here -- I'm not)
But as far as soldering wires goes, you _may_ want to do it if there's a reason to have a stronger connection and maybe prevent corrosion where dissimilar metals might be a concern. Personally, I've found that if you're relying on solder to make better _physical_ connections that you're probably doing other things wrong too -- didn't see it here. Of course, every situation is different and a hot a engine melting solder might be _another_ thing to consider (hint.
Frankly, I saw nothing wrong. Any splice is only as good as the crimp involved. Just look at that that sensor's electrical connector and the pins involved _there_ if you need any clues regarding physical versus solder. I mean, hellooo! Why the heck _wouldn't_ you use a physical crimp to make repairs, especially if it's quicker, easier and no better than solder?
Eric, you did the right thing here. Hopefully, you also made a buck or two doing it.
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Avenger
Mr O
You're a truly a great mechanic. I like how you go above and beyond to fix a customer's vehicle. Going to a junk yard to get parts for a customer's vehicle shows you care and are willing to get the vehicle fixed and back to them quickly. I see no problem with you charging for your time to go a retrieve the part from the junk yard. I think most mechanics would have told this customer the issue and then quote them the replacement of the part. Then probably tell them they need a new harness or possibly get the missing connector at higher price of the junk yard price.
So Mr. O thank you for being an honest, hardworking mechanic. Remember this is how you build your business by being a stand up person. I would like to have a mechanic such as you near me.
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Mr O
You're a truly a great mechanic. I like how you go above and beyond to fix a customer's vehicle. Going to a junk yard to get parts for a customer's vehicle shows you care and are willing to get the vehicle fixed and back to them quickly. I see no problem with you charging for your time to go a retrieve the part from the junk yard. I think most mechanics would have told this customer the issue and then quote them the replacement of the part. Then probably tell them they need a new harness or possibly get the missing connector at higher price of the junk yard price.
So Mr. O thank you for being an honest, hardworking mechanic. Remember this is how you build your business by being a stand up person. I would like to have a mechanic such as you near me.
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Rob
As has been said, no need to justify why or how you charge your customers. They are paying for professional services which you provide. Plus I can't imagine you being anything but fair on how you charge & what you charge.
As far as soldering versus crimping - look at every car, most if not all wires connections are crimped. Crimping is more flexible on the wire ends than solder, solder has it's place, just not on the end of a wire that can move. The crimp and seal is far more convenient than the non-seal type that were the norm once upon a time. There is no need to stock as much heat-shrink, which was dear as poison once upon a time, and the heat shrink with glue was prohibitively expensive, no mechanic or auto electrician used it.
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As has been said, no need to justify why or how you charge your customers. They are paying for professional services which you provide. Plus I can't imagine you being anything but fair on how you charge & what you charge.
As far as soldering versus crimping - look at every car, most if not all wires connections are crimped. Crimping is more flexible on the wire ends than solder, solder has it's place, just not on the end of a wire that can move. The crimp and seal is far more convenient than the non-seal type that were the norm once upon a time. There is no need to stock as much heat-shrink, which was dear as poison once upon a time, and the heat shrink with glue was prohibitively expensive, no mechanic or auto electrician used it.
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S. V.
Hi Mr O I never comment, as i think your doing a great job always and i learn a lot of what you show us. About the mouse eating the wiring. It seems that the manufactory of the wiring use a kind of chalk that they seems to like a lot (sweet or even made from corn flour or something.
A question though, As most cars are very crunchy i see you placing back connectors dry, as i mostly clean connectors with some conetcleaner for better mounting and transfer of signals, as most signals are of low voltage or power. You think its not needed in a lot of the cars in your area. (Again. Not a comment but just a question)
Also my appologies for the writing mistakes. I'm from the Netherlands
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Hi Mr O I never comment, as i think your doing a great job always and i learn a lot of what you show us. About the mouse eating the wiring. It seems that the manufactory of the wiring use a kind of chalk that they seems to like a lot (sweet or even made from corn flour or something.
A question though, As most cars are very crunchy i see you placing back connectors dry, as i mostly clean connectors with some conetcleaner for better mounting and transfer of signals, as most signals are of low voltage or power. You think its not needed in a lot of the cars in your area. (Again. Not a comment but just a question)
Also my appologies for the writing mistakes. I'm from the Netherlands
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David
Look, I m all for live and let live when it comes to critters but the minute one starts eating parts of the car? Game on and full-blown chemical warfare. They have one chance to GTFO.
Also. 100% agreed. Never do anything for free. However giving your customer the option of well I can go to the junkyard to get the part and have it fixed today for XXX that s a great service to offer. Whatever money a customer is paying you do that service is one hell of an investment in that they get their car back fast and fixed with an OEM part. Even if it s the same price as getting a brand new one, I d get my car back sooner (or today) and that s worth it to me.
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Look, I m all for live and let live when it comes to critters but the minute one starts eating parts of the car? Game on and full-blown chemical warfare. They have one chance to GTFO.
Also. 100% agreed. Never do anything for free. However giving your customer the option of well I can go to the junkyard to get the part and have it fixed today for XXX that s a great service to offer. Whatever money a customer is paying you do that service is one hell of an investment in that they get their car back fast and fixed with an OEM part. Even if it s the same price as getting a brand new one, I d get my car back sooner (or today) and that s worth it to me.
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Daddyoh
FYI, Eric, my brother lives up in the mountains and has lots of field mice and other varmints. He has had multiple issues with mice getting in his engine bay and eating his wiring which he either repairs or takes his car in to be fixed. To stop or to minimize the chomping of wiring he leaves his hood open he has found that the varmints will get in the engine bay but do not stay and make a home or eat his wiring any longer. He has also spread ground hot chili pepper around on the engine bay to help detour the varmints it all helps. One other action he took was to make a cap out of the screen and fasten it around the intake tube on his air cleaner.
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FYI, Eric, my brother lives up in the mountains and has lots of field mice and other varmints. He has had multiple issues with mice getting in his engine bay and eating his wiring which he either repairs or takes his car in to be fixed. To stop or to minimize the chomping of wiring he leaves his hood open he has found that the varmints will get in the engine bay but do not stay and make a home or eat his wiring any longer. He has also spread ground hot chili pepper around on the engine bay to help detour the varmints it all helps. One other action he took was to make a cap out of the screen and fasten it around the intake tube on his air cleaner.
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woodturner
Good job Eric, anyone that thinks that you should work for free doesn't understand what it takes to run a shop, there's no need to justify why you do what you do! As far as the rodents snacking on the wires, we had a fleet truck, a 2019 F250 that the driver lived on a almond ranch and the engine wiring got eaten twice with major damage through the injector harness, as well as huge nests in the vee below the intake, I was told by Ford that the harness and wire insulation is made with a soy product, I don't know why that is but it does explain why the rodents find it so tasty!
Keep up the good work!
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Good job Eric, anyone that thinks that you should work for free doesn't understand what it takes to run a shop, there's no need to justify why you do what you do! As far as the rodents snacking on the wires, we had a fleet truck, a 2019 F250 that the driver lived on a almond ranch and the engine wiring got eaten twice with major damage through the injector harness, as well as huge nests in the vee below the intake, I was told by Ford that the harness and wire insulation is made with a soy product, I don't know why that is but it does explain why the rodents find it so tasty!
Keep up the good work!
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Matthew
I've just changed a connector on my Jaguar as the catch was broken (someone had been there before. Jaguar however do not sell the connector separately so I would have had to buy the whole harness for megabucks, so the only option without spending lots of money, was a secondhand one from fleabay. Luckily I managed to depin the old plug and reassemble in the secondhand one to save cutting the wires. In the US you seem to be able to buy pigtails for a lot of plugs which would make life easier, but take longer of course to wait for delivery.
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I've just changed a connector on my Jaguar as the catch was broken (someone had been there before. Jaguar however do not sell the connector separately so I would have had to buy the whole harness for megabucks, so the only option without spending lots of money, was a secondhand one from fleabay. Luckily I managed to depin the old plug and reassemble in the secondhand one to save cutting the wires. In the US you seem to be able to buy pigtails for a lot of plugs which would make life easier, but take longer of course to wait for delivery.
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Ted
eric, are the ignition coils from rock auto trust worthy? my local part cannon ammo suppliers want 45- 85 per coil and the same-ish ones are at rock auto for 1/2 in most cases along with the sparkplug wires for a 2004 dodge 2500 5. 7l 4x4 slt. they already got me for 120 for spark plugs spo if i could cut a 600 bill in half reliably, im going for it.
thank you in advance if you ever see this. if anyone in the comments had any luck getting electrical/ignition parts from rock auto, some advice would be gratefully appreciated. thank you.
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eric, are the ignition coils from rock auto trust worthy? my local part cannon ammo suppliers want 45- 85 per coil and the same-ish ones are at rock auto for 1/2 in most cases along with the sparkplug wires for a 2004 dodge 2500 5. 7l 4x4 slt. they already got me for 120 for spark plugs spo if i could cut a 600 bill in half reliably, im going for it.
thank you in advance if you ever see this. if anyone in the comments had any luck getting electrical/ignition parts from rock auto, some advice would be gratefully appreciated. thank you.
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ToughAncientSpark
One of those repellent creatures who made itself a home in the bottom drawer of my top tool cabinet.
When my grown daughter went for a tool it popped it's head out and she did scream like a little school girl!
How it manage to squeeze itself in the space between the two drawers I'll never know but now I keep four Victor mouse traps set at all times in the garage.
It took me an hour of cleaning everything in the drawer and the drawer itself with vinegar to get rid of the smell.
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One of those repellent creatures who made itself a home in the bottom drawer of my top tool cabinet.
When my grown daughter went for a tool it popped it's head out and she did scream like a little school girl!
How it manage to squeeze itself in the space between the two drawers I'll never know but now I keep four Victor mouse traps set at all times in the garage.
It took me an hour of cleaning everything in the drawer and the drawer itself with vinegar to get rid of the smell.
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Jamie
The method used to make that type of fix must also take into account what surrounds the spot of the fix. If one method fixes the problem but damages something nearby, that was the wrong method. And if the fix has to be redone, a method that allows this to be done should be considered. More than anything else, the repair must be reliable for the long term. A mechanical splice subject to vibration can fail because of the repeated vibrations; I've seen it happen with fiber optics.
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The method used to make that type of fix must also take into account what surrounds the spot of the fix. If one method fixes the problem but damages something nearby, that was the wrong method. And if the fix has to be redone, a method that allows this to be done should be considered. More than anything else, the repair must be reliable for the long term. A mechanical splice subject to vibration can fail because of the repeated vibrations; I've seen it happen with fiber optics.
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Hemi
Mr O. You are not the only one. I am not a professional anymore, HOWEVER. I have friends / neighbors come to me All The Time because another shop couldn't fix. All too often it is easier for me to run to the scrap yard, un bolt whatever, or CHOP IT OFF, and in the end, my customer saves money, gets their vehicle fixed, stress is gone, and I make a couple bucks. They are also happy to spend 100 bucks with me rather than 500+ at a shop that has already failed once!
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Mr O. You are not the only one. I am not a professional anymore, HOWEVER. I have friends / neighbors come to me All The Time because another shop couldn't fix. All too often it is easier for me to run to the scrap yard, un bolt whatever, or CHOP IT OFF, and in the end, my customer saves money, gets their vehicle fixed, stress is gone, and I make a couple bucks. They are also happy to spend 100 bucks with me rather than 500+ at a shop that has already failed once!
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backyardbasher
I don't work on cars anymore but when I did if you were seen to use crimp connectors especially in places like the engine bay people would think you were a knobhead and didnt know what you were doing lol so everything was soldered and head shrunk or more often soldered and wrapped in Sellotape, I guess crimp connectors are better now than they used to be. As long as it's a strong durable connection which is neat and tidy who cares how it's made.
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I don't work on cars anymore but when I did if you were seen to use crimp connectors especially in places like the engine bay people would think you were a knobhead and didnt know what you were doing lol so everything was soldered and head shrunk or more often soldered and wrapped in Sellotape, I guess crimp connectors are better now than they used to be. As long as it's a strong durable connection which is neat and tidy who cares how it's made.
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