SURPRISE BANS & Crackdown Hit Dangerous, Caster Semenya Debate, Youtube Controversy, & UNCC Hero
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Date: 2019-11-01
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Shannon Hurley
Most people who compete in highly competitive races like the Olympics already have genetic advantages over others. Top distance runners have a higher proportion of type I muscle fibers while top weight lifters were born with the ability tp build a higher proportion of type II muscle fibers. Some people are genetically able to build more muscle than others. Some have longer torsos, longer legs, or are naturally more petite. If a woman naturally has higher levels of testosterone, I don't see that as being any different. Even if it gives her a significant advantage, that's no different than the genetic advantages many top athletes have over other athletes who, given the same training volume and frequency, could never achieve the same results due to genetics. I don't think she should be forced to suppress her natural testosterone levels.
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Most people who compete in highly competitive races like the Olympics already have genetic advantages over others. Top distance runners have a higher proportion of type I muscle fibers while top weight lifters were born with the ability tp build a higher proportion of type II muscle fibers. Some people are genetically able to build more muscle than others. Some have longer torsos, longer legs, or are naturally more petite. If a woman naturally has higher levels of testosterone, I don't see that as being any different. Even if it gives her a significant advantage, that's no different than the genetic advantages many top athletes have over other athletes who, given the same training volume and frequency, could never achieve the same results due to genetics. I don't think she should be forced to suppress her natural testosterone levels.
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Jeff Metcalfe
As far as Caster Semenya is concerned, I think the rules are more than fair. To me, there are a few standout points to be made. Firstly, if she didn't think she was benefiting from the excess testosterone, why doesn't she just take the hormone suppressants? Second, the fact that people are trying to play the race card and bring Apartheid into the issue is pretty telling to me. They realize that their argument is flawed and that the only way to win the argument is to pretend that this issue has anything to do with race and not the fact that she has excessive amounts of testosterone in her body making her a more effective athlete. It doesn't like asking somebody to take hormone suppressants is 'targeting' them or sabotaging them, they're leveling the playing field.
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As far as Caster Semenya is concerned, I think the rules are more than fair. To me, there are a few standout points to be made. Firstly, if she didn't think she was benefiting from the excess testosterone, why doesn't she just take the hormone suppressants? Second, the fact that people are trying to play the race card and bring Apartheid into the issue is pretty telling to me. They realize that their argument is flawed and that the only way to win the argument is to pretend that this issue has anything to do with race and not the fact that she has excessive amounts of testosterone in her body making her a more effective athlete. It doesn't like asking somebody to take hormone suppressants is 'targeting' them or sabotaging them, they're leveling the playing field.
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nGon-
It makes no sense to exclude women from competing simply because they have a 'biological advantage', nearly every Olympic athlete has a biological advantage. Yes, they work their arses off every day to maximise their performance, but most people will never be able to even dream of becoming an Olympic athlete no matter how much they train because of their biological nature. And the importance of these biological factors (and other factors outside of the athlete's control) should be clear as day. There's a reason why track and field is dominated by black people, or why NBA players (yeah, not Olympic, but same idea) are almost all much taller than the average person. We cannot eliminate all biological differences, it's be futile
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It makes no sense to exclude women from competing simply because they have a 'biological advantage', nearly every Olympic athlete has a biological advantage. Yes, they work their arses off every day to maximise their performance, but most people will never be able to even dream of becoming an Olympic athlete no matter how much they train because of their biological nature. And the importance of these biological factors (and other factors outside of the athlete's control) should be clear as day. There's a reason why track and field is dominated by black people, or why NBA players (yeah, not Olympic, but same idea) are almost all much taller than the average person. We cannot eliminate all biological differences, it's be futile
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Fractured Raptor
It isn't discrimination if you're using rules or laws to create a level playing field. Which is what it clearly states and does. Don't like it? Don't compete. It's designed to keep unfair advantages out of the equation, which is what you want in competition. Only an idiot would be upset over something like this. The only alternative is to create a separate event specifically for people like that. The playing field stays fair. That's assuming you don't force people to go there simply because you don't like them. The evidence to back up the move needs to be concrete and if corruption is found it needs to have harsh punishment.
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It isn't discrimination if you're using rules or laws to create a level playing field. Which is what it clearly states and does. Don't like it? Don't compete. It's designed to keep unfair advantages out of the equation, which is what you want in competition. Only an idiot would be upset over something like this. The only alternative is to create a separate event specifically for people like that. The playing field stays fair. That's assuming you don't force people to go there simply because you don't like them. The evidence to back up the move needs to be concrete and if corruption is found it needs to have harsh punishment.
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Ley Fiction
Am I the only one who thinks censorship isn't automatically wrong? If there are enough reasons for a ban than let that happen. I think rather than have a discussion about how dare you only censor the right. or I like them Stop being sensitive, we should have one about when censorship makes sense and what should and shouldn't be censord. Alex Jones is a dangerous individual who spreads false information and scams his viewers. Where I live radical communist as well as nazi sympathizers are censord. Freedom of speech do not cover criminals.
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Am I the only one who thinks censorship isn't automatically wrong? If there are enough reasons for a ban than let that happen. I think rather than have a discussion about how dare you only censor the right. or I like them Stop being sensitive, we should have one about when censorship makes sense and what should and shouldn't be censord. Alex Jones is a dangerous individual who spreads false information and scams his viewers. Where I live radical communist as well as nazi sympathizers are censord. Freedom of speech do not cover criminals.
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Danielle Stoner
Forcing people to change their bodys chemistry is ridiculous. She doesnt take testosterone, she doesnt take steroids, she is just naturally gifted as others have stated in the comments. Some people are just naturally gifted in areas of life, they shouldnt be forced to be brought down, why not just have the naturally gifted women with testosterone just compete amongst each other like wrestlers have weight classes? It isnt fair to take away their chances to compete if they wont change their hormones/ body chemistry.
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Forcing people to change their bodys chemistry is ridiculous. She doesnt take testosterone, she doesnt take steroids, she is just naturally gifted as others have stated in the comments. Some people are just naturally gifted in areas of life, they shouldnt be forced to be brought down, why not just have the naturally gifted women with testosterone just compete amongst each other like wrestlers have weight classes? It isnt fair to take away their chances to compete if they wont change their hormones/ body chemistry.
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Tyler Pistachio
Im never gonna be an athlete lol. But this ruling scares the living shit out of me as a boring everyday woman that has high testosterone (thanks pcos. This is crazy common in women. But many use contraceptive pills with extra hormones to balance it out. The thought of being forced to take hormons. pretty insane. Knowing the effect those things can have. Also if this is how its going to be classified it might leak out into just common ppl and doctors thinking differently about things like this. whoa. Scary shit.
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Im never gonna be an athlete lol. But this ruling scares the living shit out of me as a boring everyday woman that has high testosterone (thanks pcos. This is crazy common in women. But many use contraceptive pills with extra hormones to balance it out. The thought of being forced to take hormons. pretty insane. Knowing the effect those things can have. Also if this is how its going to be classified it might leak out into just common ppl and doctors thinking differently about things like this. whoa. Scary shit.
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Juju
In terms of the track discrimination, its dumb. Some of the best athletes in the world (Michael Phelps, and Usain Bolt to name a few) have conditions that naturally make them have a leg up on their competitors. But its not a problem for them to compete disputes the physical advantage they have that is beyond their control. So discriminating against women who naturally have a better chance of winning because of their higher level of testosterone is absurd. Its not like theyre voluntarily pumping their body with hormones.
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In terms of the track discrimination, its dumb. Some of the best athletes in the world (Michael Phelps, and Usain Bolt to name a few) have conditions that naturally make them have a leg up on their competitors. But its not a problem for them to compete disputes the physical advantage they have that is beyond their control. So discriminating against women who naturally have a better chance of winning because of their higher level of testosterone is absurd. Its not like theyre voluntarily pumping their body with hormones.
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jessy9514
Regarding the Semenya part of todays show I want to know if males have to take hormone suppressant if they have naturally high levels of testosterone to level the playing field and protect other males from them? Whats that old saying again? If you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen Ill reword it. If you cant compete then get out of the competition I personally think winning against someone who is made to give me a handicap by suppressing their hormones is not an actual win.
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Regarding the Semenya part of todays show I want to know if males have to take hormone suppressant if they have naturally high levels of testosterone to level the playing field and protect other males from them? Whats that old saying again? If you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen Ill reword it. If you cant compete then get out of the competition I personally think winning against someone who is made to give me a handicap by suppressing their hormones is not an actual win.
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